Behringer stepping up its game?...

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Sounds To Go said:
How so? How is it not the case?
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If your equipment/broadcast purposes or aims do not include a higher quality expectation, but simply to achieve the minimal, just above unsatisfactory results, then your equipment needs are lower. Hence, aim low, hit low.

I said nothing about nor made reference to any individual entertainer's performance.

Eric Clapton, the humanoid, could likely play a 59.99 Wal-Mart guitar with enough sufficiency to transmit the notes of a song to an audience but I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that Eric Clapton, the artist, would not be truly satisfied with the results.
 
djrox said:
If your equipment/broadcast purposes or aims do not include a higher quality expectation, but simply to achieve the minimal, just above unsatisfactory results, then your equipment needs are lower. Hence, aim low, hit low.
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I'm just taking a wild guess here Rox, and it would be that you have not used any Behringer gear in some time... ;)

The stuff I've gotten over the last 4-5 years, is truly excellent quality, and excellent sounding -- nothing low quality about it, and easily ranks up there with the big name stuff, which costs substantially more. :)
 
Not bashing anyones gear but those Crown amps you have were nothing but problems when they first came out and crown is one of the biggest no?
 
To answer the original question. It appears Behringer has made steps and efforts to improve their model. Some of the big names surely fell down a few pegs when making their move to China.
 
Jon Tuck said:
To answer the original question. It appears Behringer has made steps and efforts to improve their model. Some of the big names surely fell down a few pegs when making their move to China.
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Wait for Behringer's assembly employees to graduate high school.... and the new crop of kids, er I mean employees start working the assembly lines.... :triwink:
 
SoftJock Rick said:
I'm just taking a wild guess here Rox, and it would be that you have not used any Behringer gear in some time... ;)

The stuff I've gotten over the last 4-5 years, is truly excellent quality, and excellent sounding -- nothing low quality about it, and easily ranks up there with the big name stuff, which costs substantially more. :)
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Burn me once, shame on you, burn me Upmteen, shame on me.

drzinc said:
Not bashing anyones gear but those Crown amps you have were nothing but problems when they first came out and crown is one of the biggest no?
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I'd risk my hard earned moo-lah on Crown's reputation and reliability any day.

I've been at this long enough to have experience with damn near all the audio gear manufacturers, save the audiophile home ish, and I wouldn't rely on cables if they had a Behringer label on them.

Just to make sure my posts are not subsequently improperly characterized, I have had malfunctions with every brand from the numerous failures with the cheap garbage to the infrequent failures of better pro gear, from Gemini/Behringer to QSC/Bose/JBL.

No one is perfect but the frequency of failure, the shoddy workmanship, and the repair-ability of the cheap stuff was costly and had a truly negative impact on usage in a professional performance environment, not bedroom DJing or controlled software testing applications.
 
jokerswild said:
Wait for Behringer's assembly employees to graduate high school.... and the new crop of kids, er I mean employees start working the assembly lines.... :triwink:
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Graduate HS? Don't you mean get home from third grade and return to the plant.:triwink:
 
djrox said:
controlled software testing applications.
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Rox, with all the respect I can muster, I believe you have no clue what my gear gets put through here on the farm...

I would hazard an easy guess, that my gear goes through more in a month, than yours does in a year.

I don't recommend gear, unless it can survive long term here :)
 
I can afford and also used almost all makes of pro equiptment from urei to ab international and SAE, Carver, Yorkville and others. I sold consumer electronics for over 10 years and have an ownned products from McIntosh, Nakamichi, Seen the first CD that came into Canada and had the opportunity to listen to a 1 million dollar home stereo system (Carver Silver Seven tube amps Infinity Reference Standard Tubed preamp and a Canadian turntable and moving coil cartrige) so i know my audio.

Berry makes some duds but a lot of their stuff is very good and sound exelent.
 
Behrigner has been hit or miss for me. Mediocre at best. I have had some pieces I wouldn't give up for the world, then there are pieces that have been to the repair shop twice.

In my experience, very good amplifier products. Sub-standard "DJ" products. Rule of thumb, mission critical equipment is not Behringer only back up.
 
djrox said:
Graduate HS? Don't you mean get home from third grade and return to the plant.:triwink:
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Rocky
that is TOTAL B.S. and you know it!

the parents take their kids OUT OF school to work in the plant.
why get an education when they can help pay the bills!

p.s.
the only Behringer I own is an EQ with feedback detection...and no problems.
not a lot of moving parts in an EQ, I know.
Time has shown that Behringer is lower quality
we'll have to wait an see with the new amps
 
I wonder how much those new Behringer iNuke amps will cost? I may not wait to find out. I may just get the Peavey IPR 3000 and be done with it. Who knows, maybe I'll get a Bose L1 instead . . . . . .
 
The Wizard Of OZ said:
I wonder how much those new Behringer iNuke amps will cost? I may not wait to find out. I may just get the Peavey IPR 3000 and be done with it. Who knows, maybe I'll get a Bose L1 instead . . . . . .
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The Peaveys have no processing so if the price is about the same I would get the Behringers this way you can skip a crossover, and eq for most systems.
 
I don't know anything about processing. The Peavey IPR has a very simple switch on each channel to choose either full range, high pass or sub. So no need for a crossover. I don't use an EQ other than the simple EQ on my mixer. I'm trying to keep the rack super light so I won't be packing an EQ. I wish there was a way to test drive equipment before you buy it. I have actually noticed a bit of a difference in the sound of my voice using different amps and mixers.

I looked on ebay and found a QSC PLX 3002 for a reasonable price, but the auction isn't over and people bid things up to ridiculous prices sometimes. I'd love to own a PLX amp, but not for what QSC sells them for . . .
 
I own a PLX amp and it is used for highs. As for processing it can be a good thing if you play big venues (school gyms and outdoor events) and push your stuff a little bit, a limiter set properly will save your tweeters i'm not worried about the bass I can empty my GTD audio amp into my bins without so much as a hickup but by the time this happens stuff starts falling of walls ceilings and tables and most people start backing away from the stack.
 
I love my PLX2's, as for processing I like the external stuff (Trying not to keep all my eggs in one basket) however there's also a down side to that as you add more things to troubleshoot. If I was in the business you guys are in and had to carry tons of equipment the onboard processing is a God send. YMMV.
 
The Wizard Of OZ said:
I don't know anything about processing. The Peavey IPR has a very simple switch on each channel to choose either full range, high pass or sub. So no need for a crossover. I don't use an EQ other than the simple EQ on my mixer. I'm trying to keep the rack super light so I won't be packing an EQ. I wish there was a way to test drive equipment before you buy it. I have actually noticed a bit of a difference in the sound of my voice using different amps and mixers.

I looked on ebay and found a QSC PLX 3002 for a reasonable price, but the auction isn't over and people bid things up to ridiculous prices sometimes. I'd love to own a PLX amp, but not for what QSC sells them for . . .
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I have a barely used PLX 3402 for sale for $700. Mint condition. I paid $1300. And the 3402 is pretty much one helluva an amp.
 
I'd loooovvve a PLX 3402, but for $400. I know, I know, if you want the good stuff you gotta pay the piper. That's why i'm looking at the Peavey IPR 3000 or the new Behringer iNuke. I don't want to pay the piper. If I can get the IPR 3000 or the Behringer equivalent for around $300-$400 then that's what I'll do.

I don't do large, loud events like what drzinc described. Most of what I do is small crowds in small venues at moderate volume levels, almost never more than 150 people. In fact the Peavey IPR 3000 may even be more powerful than what I really need. I might be able to get away with a QSC GX5, but since it's about the same price as the IPR 3000 I might as well just get the more powerful amp that's capable of 2ohms and bridged mode etc. I'll just have to be careful not to toast any drivers with all that power.
 
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