Your opinion on VDJ 6 "Netsearch"

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Scott Hanna

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I read that the new version of VDJ has "netsearch". From what I understand, if the song or video you are looking for is not in your database, it will search the net(provided you are connected) for the song and let you download it. It doesn't verify the source, the quality, or the legitimacy of the song. I've already seen some heated debates about this. Things from "this is the greatest thing ever" to "this is going to get the RIAA fired up and come after DJs"

When I tried VDJ a few years ago, I liked the ability to play songs right from napster. I didn't really use it much, but it was nice to have the option. I don't think i'd be willing to be search all over the net, not knowing what the source was.


What is your opinion on such a feature?
 
Just my two philosophical cents -- haven't tried it yet though...


It would seem to me, that it is probably not a feature that would be used often by a mobile DJ (or any working DJ, for that matter). Most mobiles will already have what they need, and intend to play.

I can see it being useful for the bedroom DJ though.

Playing a song sight (erm, heard) unseen, in front of a crowd, is probably not in the DJ's best interest, IMHO... YMMV
 
From what I understand, if the song or video you are looking for is not in your database, it will search the net(provided you are connected) for the song and let you download it. It doesn't verify the source, the quality, or the legitimacy of the song. I've already seen some heated debates about this. Things from "this is the greatest thing ever" to "this is going to get the RIAA fired up and come after DJs"

Slight correction (based on my understanding of this feature): you aren't allowed to download it, but you are allowed to "buffer" and play it.
 
You can download by saving to cache. It's a format that only VDJ can utilize. I don't carry a big catalog and have had requests were I did not have the music. It happens one every couple of gigs. Not frequent enough for me to get excited about it.

I am not sure I want my lappy connected while performing.

With that said, if I get a request that I think would add to the evening, I might give it a try.
 
It has DRM. If you don't connect your VDJ to their website, the DRM will expire on those tracks.

I am VERY sure they thought this out quite well. EU has some pretty anal (C) laws.

That said, great for that last min req or so. Then you can then have a log to refer back should you wish to purchase it.
 
Quote from GM of Atomix Productions

Here is a quote that came off of DjChat.com from Atomix General Manager. NetSearch crawls the internet in an almost identical fashion as playlist.com It queries everything and will only stream from sources that are freely available on the net. It actually ads an extra layer by of protection by encrypting the files with a proprietary DRM, just incased the rare hacker actually cracks our streaming (almost impossible), nevertheless, if successful, the files would be completely useless outside VDJ.

I'm glad you like the new feature. Its primary intent is to be used with the second major feature called MusicGroups (from the official AP press release going out tomorrow):

"This allows Virtual DJ users to show the world what they play. It allows the DJ to get together with others who share his/her musical tastes, create individual groups, and upload playlists to be displayed in Virtual DJ's community section. What makes this revolutionary is the fact that people can "subscribe" to the MusicGroups of DJ's, or groups/gernes they like. They will then receive personalized feeds, directly inside Virtual DJ live, during a performance. The "feeds" are completely personalized, and depends on what kind of music you've been playing, and will give you advice on what people, from the MusicGroups you've subscribed to, would play next. Or offer advice based on what millions of other DJ's have played the most, after that particular track "

Essentially, if your not sure what you want to mix into, and you are relying on MusicGroups to make a suggestion, more often than not, you'll probably not have that track locally. Ergo, NetSearch.

Is this feature intended to be a replacement for Professional subscription services? Absolutely not. As mentioned earlier in this thread, it's a convenience for that rare request you don't have, or the suggestion you like to try. As also noted, quality is totally a crap shoot. With that in mind, we are exploring partnerships that would ensure premium quality and availability of the latest and greatest.

As for me, some of you may recognize my name, I was the previous GM at PCDJ, up until I left in Dec last year. Since mid January, I've been setting up the official Atomix Productions office here in Los Angeles, which includes our new local support phones lines, for the US and Canada (Europe coming soon). This is going to be a great year for Virtual DJ, it's users, and the DJ community!

Best,

Andrew Van Almen
General Manager
Atomix Productions
www.VirtualDJ.com
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hmm so this dumbs down the creativity of the art even further. Wonderful!

OK, I could argue two ways here but I'm going to take the high road. I don't see the concept of using music groups and net search as dumbing down; I see it is providing the DJ with a tool in case he/she gets into a bind. I know I've been in the situation where I've struggled with what to play next several times and, if I didn't have an assistant working with me, I could have used these tools.

As to the usability of it, I generally do not hook my rig up to the net and most of the venues I work do not have a wireless connection. I know I can get an air card but choose not to.
 
If one doesnt have the gift they can search for advice or what others play for the next song. How can this not be a dumbing down and in fact leaning towards that point you have been making as of late. The extinction of the mobile DJ.
 
If you plan on recording your session or broadcasting using one of these netsearch songs forget it. They have done a fine job of protecting the content.
 
If one doesnt have the gift they can search for advice or what others play for the next song. How can this not be a dumbing down and in fact leaning towards that point you have been making as of late. The extinction of the mobile DJ.

Well, that was the other argument I was going to go for but I didn't want to get Steve Sharp more pissed at me. :sqwink:

Maybe I might want to say hello to him after November.
 
If you plan on recording your session or broadcasting using one of these netsearch songs forget it. They have done a fine job of protecting the content.

Yeah, I tried that last night. I wonder how long the DRM lasts. I copied a song from cache. I am going to disconnect the rig from the net tonight, boot it up, and see if the song is still available.
 
Well, that was the other argument I was going to go for but I didn't want to get Steve Sharp more pissed at me. :sqwink:

Maybe I might want to say hello to him after November.

The only aspect of DJing that this has the potential to effect is the music programming and improving your mix portion. If that's all you offer, the sky might be falling.

If any were any less pissed, I might be in a coma.
 
The best part of this whole thing (from my point of view)...

As for me, some of you may recognize my name, I was the previous GM at PCDJ, up until I left in Dec last year. Since mid January, I've been setting up the official Atomix Productions office here in Los Angeles...

Best,

Andrew

I hope Andrew does as "wonderful" a job with VDJ, as he did with PCDJ... :sqwink: :sqlaugh: :rofl:


I like getting his customers...
 
The best part of this whole thing (from my point of view)...



I hope Andrew does as "wonderful" a job with VDJ, as he did with PCDJ... :sqwink: :sqlaugh: :rofl:


I like getting his customers...


Boom, Boom, POW. Rick with the right hook!!
 
I love it. I get a lot of request for songs that most of you never heard about.
But I have to test it in the real live situation.
Also, we are always 2 guys show, so one of us will be able to make sure that we are not playing stupid....
 
I can see this being a very HOT debate very soon!
 
Also, we are always 2 guys show, so one of us will be able to make sure that we are not playing stupid....

Does it really take a 2nd person to make sure? If one person can't do it, how can that person help the other one?