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Daddyslipdisk

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Apr 23, 2009
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I had another thread going, but I think when threads get too long people stop reading them because it's just, well, too long. So hopefully I can get some quick answers for this n00bie. Ok, here's the deal. I found a DJ that has a secondary setup that he never uses and he's stored in his basement. Everything is in working order and this deal is pretty amazing and I need to know if it's as good as I think it is;

Numark Mixer DM1425 4 channel 6 line with effects, mic input and EQ
Gemini ProII Dual CD Player CD9500
Carver PT1250 Power Amp
and
TWO JBL Eon 15" 250 watt Passive Speakers
The gear of which is in a road ready carpeted case

All of it for $850 and all of which is in perfect working condition. I'm getting it at lunch today in a couple hours, but would like some extra feedback from you fine pros here. Will this system be enough to do a wedding in a ballroom and really fill up the room with sound or will it just adequately fill u a room and it's good enough for now.

For those that did not read the last thread, i already have a laptop, DJ software, table, mikes (and SM beta 58, a beta 58 wireless, samson wireless setup, and a sm57), so i think minus the lights will end up being everything I would need, for now. Until I can get some really good higher end speakers from Ben. So should I run and get this now?
 
Daddyslipdisk said:
I had another thread going, but I think when threads get too long people stop reading them because it's just, well, too long. So hopefully I can get some quick answers for this n00bie. Ok, here's the deal. I found a DJ that has a secondary setup that he never uses and he's stored in his basement. Everything is in working order and this deal is pretty amazing and I need to know if it's as good as I think it is;

Numark Mixer DM1425 4 channel 6 line with effects, mic input and EQ
Gemini ProII Dual CD Player CD9500
Carver PT1250 Power Amp
and
TWO JBL Eon 15" 250 watt Passive Speakers
The gear of which is in a road ready carpeted case

All of it for $850 and all of which is in perfect working condition. I'm getting it at lunch today in a couple hours, but would like some extra feedback from you fine pros here. Will this system be enough to do a wedding in a ballroom and really fill up the room with sound or will it just adequately fill u a room and it's good enough for now.

For those that did not read the last thread, i already have a laptop, DJ software, table, mikes (and SM beta 58, a beta 58 wireless, samson wireless setup, and a sm57), so i think minus the lights will end up being everything I would need, for now. Until I can get some really good higher end speakers from Ben. So should I run and get this now?
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Ballroom you say? If you get the setup, which by the way, can be deemed as an entry-level system, you will need to add another amplifier, and maybe a pair of subwoofers. You can possibly get by on a single 18 inch sub woofer. Another thing that I see missing, is the EQ. Do you have one? What software are you going to use to run your DJ program? We have a sponsor on board with a DJ software, called Rockit. Check with Rick, he can hook you up.
 
ahoustondj said:
Ballroom you say? If you get the setup, which by the way, can be deemed as an entry-level system, you will need to add another amplifier, and maybe a pair of subwoofers. You can possibly get by on a single 18 inch sub woofer. Another thing that I see missing, is the EQ. Do you have one? What software are you going to use to run your DJ program? We have a sponsor on board with a DJ software, called Rockit. Check with Rick, he can hook you up.
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Ok, hmm. I did not have an EQ. What should I look for in an EQ? I'm using Virtual DJ Professional although I'm not totally sold on it. I'm definitely willing to try Rockit.

As for the ballroom scenario, if I'm okay to do a pool party, private party, small half ballroom with these things (not like a grand ballroom), this will be good for me to generate some income and by better equipment.

Meanwhile is the pricing fair ofr this equipment, really good for this equipment or simply "okay"?
 
Daddyslipdisk said:
Ok, hmm. I did not have an EQ. What should I look for in an EQ? I'm using Virtual DJ Professional although I'm not totally sold on it. I'm definitely willing to try Rockit.


Meanwhile is the pricing fair ofr this equipment, really good for this equipment or simply "okay"? "?
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IMO you got a really good deal.....

You should be looking for a 1/4 octave EQ
 
Daddyslipdisk said:
Ok, hmm. I did not have an EQ. What should I look for in an EQ? I'm using Virtual DJ Professional although I'm not totally sold on it. I'm definitely willing to try Rockit.

As for the ballroom scenario, if I'm okay to do a pool party, private party, small half ballroom with these things (not like a grand ballroom), this will be good for me to generate some income and by better equipment.

Meanwhile is the pricing fair ofr this equipment, really good for this equipment or simply "okay"?
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We have a very good and reputable sponsor on our board by name of Ben. He has a National Sound and Light Company, he can assist you in building a first class system in stages, starting with what you now have. He can also get you the EQ. His Log on name here is "NLFX Pro". You can't go wrong with him. Good luck
 
For $850.00 that system sounds like a good deal.

Depending on how many events that you do I can see you wanting to up-grade.

But for a starter system it will do the job. You may get into it and find out that you do not like DJing. So no loss.

But if you are in a Grand Ballroom, you should rent a sub or borrow one, for the night.

I'm personally not a huge Gemini fan, but for starters sure. But after a few events, you know you like it, you can add piece by piece. Don't think of it as buying a whole new system, think of it as a sub, then a CD player, then mixer or whatever. Don't get scared looking at the cost of a whole new system, look at it one thing at a time.
 
it looks like a great deal but if I am not mistaken those CD decks have no anti shock and will have to be on stable ground to not cause Disc skipping. If Im incorrect on this please disregard.
 
Daddyslipdisk said:
Numark Mixer DM1425 4 channel 6 line with effects, mic input and EQ
Gemini ProII Dual CD Player CD9500
Carver PT1250 Power Amp
and
TWO JBL Eon 15" 250 watt Passive Speakers
The gear of which is in a road ready carpeted case

All of it for $850 and all of which is in perfect working condition.
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Looks like a pretty good deal... However, the Gemini is probably going to be the first thing you'll want to replace or maybe just never even use considering your going the software route.... This looks like a decent starter set as other's have mentioned. Add atleast one sub and it should carry you through most small to medium sized events for awhile.

But, as other's have said you'll be upgrading on down the road just how soon depends on you and your needs.
 
(I think Rob needs to find Chuck another Bose hat to bid on).

I still have hair, it's going grey, but I HAVE IT, and I agree with those bald guys that the weakest link in this package is likely the Gemini cd player. If you read this before you buy, TEST IT THOROUGHLY! Test everything, but cd players, especially those that haven't been used, and sat in a basement for an extended period of time may be in BAD need of cleaning, or simply.. shot. If you're primarily going to use a computer, maybe you don't need the cd decks as much, but if it doesn't work or work properly, I think you should ask for a price reduction. Overall, the package price sounds very good.

Also, there's no standard definition of terms like "ballroom" and "grand ballroom". And even among experienced D.J.s, there are differences of opinion, regarding gear. For example: while I have tons of esteem and respect for ahouston, and his knowledge and advice, I don't use an equalizer anymore.
 
Well I got the system and it looks good. the JBL's are a little beaten up with definite road wear, but it will be decent when they're cleaned up. He dropped the price to $700 since I was going to have put some on a credit card and he opted to give me a price reduction if I paid cash. He had a nice house in a nice neighborhood, so no fear that it's hot. The system was also hooked up and he played it for me and it's pretty loud. I'll definitely want to watch that the Carver doesn't push to much to those speakers. And I will definitely want a sub if I play any teen/younger crowd parties that need that thump, but the plan is to play about a dozen gigs with this and then upgrade the speakers, but this will get me going for now.

Considering everything I got for the money, it was very good deal. I just need lights and I'll be good to go.
 
For what you got, that ain't a bad price at all. :)

I'll concur with the mention of Gemini. These decks have no buffer memory and will skip or stall if you sneeze on 'em. Even loud sound systems have been known to affect the tracking. I know ~ we loaded Gemini CD decks for a few years. If you'll be using DJ software, the Geminis may be a moot point anyhow.

The Numark is a good deal and will probably last for some time to come. The Carver amp is rated 465 watts per channel into 8 ohms. More headroom than you need for the pair of Eons but I'd hang on to it. The amp alone is selling for close to what you paid for the lot. :)
 
I would suggest a compressor/limiter to keep the EON's safe and you'll also be able to use it when your system grows.
 
DJ SVO said:
I would suggest a compressor/limiter to keep the EON's safe and you'll also be able to use it when your system grows.
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Make that a STRONG suggestion. I can see getting into a situation where the temptation or need to crank up the power may well cause a problem.

Considering the headroom, I would call it a neccesity....:sqcool:
 
Jon Tuck said:
it looks like a great deal but if I am not mistaken those CD decks have no anti shock and will have to be on stable ground to not cause Disc skipping. If Im incorrect on this please disregard.
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This is a fantastic point Jon - sensitive decks can be thrown off by the simplest of vobrations - from you or a guest bumping your table lightly, or event from the low-end response-resonence of your speakers at a certain volume.

Compounding this issue if the type of floor you are set up on. If you're on a rickety wooden deck or an old wooden stage/riser, you can almost guarantee that this will be an issue, as even your walking around can be enough to jar it.

Sometimes this can be helped (and I had to do this at a few gigs with the deck that I started with - by placing down either a larger medium-density piece of foam under the rack-case on the table, or a folded up towel or similar. Anything you can do to isolate the rack-box and player from the table and hence the vibration os a good idea.

Better yet is to make it a priority to save up for a player with anti-shock/skip-protect.
 
Steve Sharp said:
Also, there's no standard definition of terms like "ballroom" and "grand ballroom". And even among experienced D.J.s, there are differences of opinion, regarding gear.
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Yeah, and sometimes, even when you would think larger equipment should/could/would be used, space or time considerations or even simply setup/time constraints prohibit it.

Steve Sharp said:
For example: while I have tons of esteem and respect for ahouston, and his knowledge and advice, I don't use an equalizer anymore.
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Why don't you use one?

Just wondering.

I have one in my rack but a good 85% of the time it's flat, but it's still engaged because I use it as a signal-boost going out to my powered cabs.

I run the Powered cabs at either 2 or 3 o'clock, the level on the eq flat, and control the mix volume with the master out on the board.

As the event goes on and needs more juice, or their ASKING for more juice :)sqbiggrin:), then I engage "The Noz" and start boosting the sig with the eq. It has a line-level meter on it so I know I always still have a lot of headroom.
 
Sounds To Go said:
... Sometimes this can be helped (and I had to do this at a few gigs with the deck that I started with - by placing down either a larger medium-density piece of foam under the rack-case on the table, or a folded up towel or similar. Anything you can do to isolate the rack-box and player from the table and hence the vibration os a good idea.

Better yet is to make it a priority to save up for a player with anti-shock/skip-protect.
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I sure remember that. :D

I had to place our Gemini coffin rig on a jerry-built spring board to keep it from skipping. Springs under the decks absorbed vibrations from the floor.

This is going back to the Country line dance days... I recall reading about a DJ company that set their turntables on inflatable guitars to keep the tonearms from bouncing around when the dancers stomped on the floor. :D
 
Well, a couple things to note. First, I do plan to use the laptop as the primary player and not the Gemini. The Gemini is strictly for backup. But these are great things to watch for. Secondly, I'm obviously concerned about blowing the EONS. We walked through the readings on the Carver amp and he showed me the levels and where I needed to back off. The amp also obviously has controls on the front of the system to manage the output from the front of the unit, but I really do need to get a compressor/limiter or whatever the official name is in order to make sure that I don't blow the speakers as a fail safe.

Any suggestions on brands or folks here selling them, etc.?
 
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