How To Sort MP3s

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Got into this a bit late, Rob , but one personal approach used pretty much mirrors a library setting and/or research book listings.


Artist Last Name, Artist First Name - Song Title [year and chart position dance step] bpm bit . file suffix

An example to use would be Dave Matthews Band's "Crash Into Me" .

If one was doing any research on that group, how would you find it?
Would you locate it in a book under "The" Dave Matthews Band? No.
Would you find it under Dave Matthews Band? No.
Would you find it under Band, Dave Matthews? No.

Any info on that group in a book or library is listed under Matthews, Dave. If it works for libraries, charts, researchers, and computer search, it works for me.

I have been accused of being "anal" by my other DJ friends. The reason for this is because I always put Last Name, First Name - Title. This is how it is listed in my Hard Drive's Music Library and also how it comes up on my DJ Software. I am glad I am not the only one!:sqcool:
 
Got into this a bit late, Rob , but one personal approach used pretty much mirrors a library setting and/or research book listings.
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That post is next. I need coffee.

Hell, I need a drink after reading all that... :sqerr: :sqlaugh:

I think there was this other thread somewhere, where I said something about making a mountain, out of a molehill... ;)

I've noticed a couple potential issues with chapter 13, sub-sections 32-174 of yer book though. Although I am doing final release testing, so don't have that much time at the moment...


Just one quick point of note -- I don't know what archaic version of Windows you are still using -- but Vista and above, indexes and searches the standard tag data of MP3 files, when you do a regular Windows search. Although, I guess if you have nothing else to do... ;) :)


Then again, I can't really talk, because I label align all my empty beer bottles -- to each his own anal... :sqbiggrin:
 
Rick : While the propensity to belittle some techniques others have found useful is not uncommon, please remember not all users of computers have the knowledge and skill sets others may possess like the ease of falling out of bed in a matter of daily routine, especially me.

Perhaps you might wish to post an expanded dissertation of what you do, how you make it work, and why?

Feeling the need to somewhat defend this ufnp concept, it was developed when Windows introduced long file name (longer than eight characters) potential, when a 47gb external SCSI hard drive cost a grand, and there weren't any "tags" or CDDB.

It is also well documented the indexing features of any Windows system will cause a marked decrease in explorer and system response performance which laptop video playback can ill afford.

This ufnp has survived Win 95, Win 98, Win 2000, Win ME, Win XP (Home & Pro), Win Amp 1 and up, BPM Studio 1.1 and up, Virtual DJ 3 and up therefor it is time tested. I am currently using archaic Win XP-Pro SP2 and have zero desire to downgrade to Vista.
 
Rick : While the propensity to belittle some techniques others have found useful is not uncommon, please remember not all users of computers have the knowledge and skill sets others may possess like the ease of falling out of bed in a matter of daily routine, especially me.

Perhaps you might wish to post an expanded dissertation of what you do, how you make it work, and why?

Feeling the need to somewhat defend this ufnp concept, it was developed when Windows introduced long file name (longer than eight characters) potential, when a 47gb external SCSI hard drive cost a grand, and there weren't any "tags" or CDDB.

It is also well documented the indexing features of any Windows system will cause a marked decrease in explorer and system response performance which laptop video playback can ill afford.

This ufnp has survived Win 95, Win 98, Win 2000, Win ME, Win XP (Home & Pro), Win Amp 1 and up, BPM Studio 1.1 and up, Virtual DJ 3 and up therefor it is time tested. I am currently using archaic Win XP-Pro SP2 and have zero desire to downgrade to Vista.


Not belittling at all Cap -- I find it interesting, albeit somewhat "over the top" :)

Granted, it may have served well in the past, and may still serve well. Just seems like an awful lot of work, given the technology available today (and in the last 7-8 years).

What I do, is simply tag everything correctly -- I couldn't care less if the filename was Track1.mp3, as I almost never search for filenames. Most of mine, are just Title - Artist.mp3, which is the way I have my ripper setup to name them. Things I get off Amazon, are whatever the filename they gave them -- I've found their tags to almost always be correct, with the possible exception of genre.

Everything gets album cover art added (Amazon tracks already come with that), and most get lyrics embedded as well into the tags. There is a standard tag field, for almost anything imaginable, and all DJ software I know, reads them.


As far as some of the interesting things you put in, I can only say that I've never in all my years in this business, had someone come up and request I play the #4 charted song in 1983 -- they generally ask by name or artist.

BPM is automatically figured out by almost any DJ software -- no need for that.

Bitrate -- don't care -- wouldn't put it in my library, unless I was willing to play it.


So, if all this info is already in the tags -- which everyone reads -- why duplicate it in the filename? As you mentioned, many years ago, that was needed -- but it is no longer. It also poses some problems...

Most software allocates buffers to hold path and filename data. The usual thing to do, is use the MAX_PATH that Windows defines, which is usually 255 characters. So, if the entire path plus filename exceeds that, you start running into problems.

Also, when searching, whether Windows or a DJ program, things are searched left to right (mostly). The longer the data, the longer the search and the sorts take. So, it also becomes a performance issue.


BTW, as to Vista, it simply blows XP off the track -- no comparison in my eyes, although I use hardware capable of using it to the max. The search indexing is totally different than previous versions of Windows, and works in idle time. I've never seen any performance degradation, and I have 5 drives indexed, and they also constantly defrag in idle time. Simple AMD 64 X2 6000 processor -- nothing fancy that's doing all this work.

For example, as I'm typing this, I pop over to Explorer on my other monitor, highlight my music drive with 40 some thousand songs on it, type in beatles, and every beatles song instantly pops up, by the time I finish typing it. Doesn't matter if it's The Beatles, Beatles, The, or even if beatles isn't in the filename, yet is in a tag field.

Modern technology -- if we never embraced it, we'd still be plowing fields with an ox... :sqbiggrin:



As an added aside, I spend lots of time with my music like you. I put the proper stuff in the tags, I listen to every song in the library in their entirety many times over, thinking of cue points, etc. So I agree, it does help one to know their library very well. We just do it in two different ways, and yes, I am a geek, and know how Windows works, so that gives me a bit of a different take on how I do things...
 
Cap: All I can say is "You go gurl!!!"

Just kidding...

Seriously though....

I understand exactly what you are saying and as far as the library goes that's fine for them... I am not a librarian, however.

My pea brain works like a karaoke listing... when I look for a particular artist for example... I look for the artist name first name first, last name last... why because I'm repeating the name in my head "what would Jimmy Buffet sing.... what would Jimmy Buffet sing... " My brain doesn't process last name first... so why would I want my computer to? (Rhetorical question as I do understand your logic perfectly well)

The real question here is not what is the best way to store your digital files so that a librarian can find them efficiently, it's how to sort and store them logically so a computer can find them efficiently based on what ever fuzzy logic you use that suits you best.

Does that make sense?
 
Rick : Having the charted information
I've never in all my years in this business, had someone come up and request I play the #4 charted song in 1983
does wonders for playing stuff spontaneously during class reunions, birthday and anniversary parties, car shows, and any event where the person behind the mic is being an informational conduit on top of and beyond "And now here's a little tune by..."

Having the dance step means a quick search on cha cha or waltz or samba or hasapika or polka or oberek or tango or salsa or gangsta rap or break dance or tush push brings up every song in that library that is what one seeks....without having to post on forums and ask. Badda bing badda boom.

Rob : It's easy to understand people think about first name last name but thank God they don't do telephone books, chart listings, statistics, and every other thing other than anything DJ related, that way.

and we haven't even gotten to ID3 tags yet,,,,,, that's another whole chapter that's gonna make Rick totally cringe.
 
lol mine is in some order - I dont take mine with me so its not 100% needed

but I will follow some of the suggestions from above

thanks guys
 
Speaking of tag editing.... I've found a lot of missing ones in my library...

I have no idea how they didn't get tagged in the ripping process... I used Audigrabber and I'm sure that I had the Genra and year tags on everything .... but I guess not...

As a result I came accross this little program..... pretty cool it looks up tags from freedb, amazon and discogs.

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/