Lubricant for vintage audio gear...

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Ed Witles

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Nov 6, 2008
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I bought a rather old Dokorder 9200 R2R deck.

The capstan seemed void of lubricant and made for an awful vibration - esp when on pause.

This was a tricky one to solve.

I had some ZipZap car speed oil I used. Now, I am thinking of gun oil might be better.

However, searching for 'gun oil' yields some interesting results.

What do you guys suggest? I do have ZEP but did not use it yet, just the racing oil for mini RC cars.
 
However, searching for 'gun oil' yields some interesting results.

Try gun lubricant Ed, or firearm lubricant preferably -- otherwise, you'll get the kind our members with no pants use... ;) :)
 
Try gun lubricant Ed, or firearm lubricant preferably -- otherwise, you'll get the kind our members with no pants use... ;) :)

Use some lard but have some bacon handy in case the damn thing catches a fire. :-
 
Could it be b/c my badge has 'Member' under my name? :D
 
oh geez this thread went south in 3 posts.

How are we ever going to serve the DJ community?


I guess humor and KY is the answer.

Can you blame us with "Lubricant" as the thread topic along side with "Vintage"

I mean come on it's a givin that this topic would quickly fall in to the muck and mire of the male mind...
 
Try lithium grease. It has a very high drip temperature, so it will stay right where you put it. That is the lubricant of choice in most modern CD/DVD players.
 
Are we really talking about lube?

I used to work on tape decks. My dad did too so I know what he advised as well.

The proper answer is fine machine oil. If gun oil (lubricant) is a light, fine lubricant it ought to work just fine. One outfit I worked for was so cheap they wouldn't spring for the good stuff so they'd use 3 in 1 right off the hardware store shelf. That'd make my dad cringe. The 3 in 1 was adequate for most applications. Lots of motors had sleeve bearings. The motors had plenty of torque, it worked fine. You wouldn't want to use that stuff (3 in 1) in a critical application like a phono tone arm. You really want to hold out for a light, high quality oil for something like that.

The problem with any kind of grease is that unless you can get into the bearing by disassembling the whole part it is unlikely you'll get the grease where it needs to be. On the other side, more than a person or two has squirted WD40 all over everything. WD40 can do awful things to previously applied lubricants making a gummy mess. It isn't a friend of rubber parts either. Ya hear that? We're talking lube and now we've turned the conversation to rubber parts.

Less is probably better which is why many electronics stores used to ( I haven't looked lately) sell small precision oilers with a clear plastic vials about 1/2 an inch in diameter and 4 or 5 inches long. They had a precision hypodermic [type] needle.

Inasmuch as you already stuck the gunk in there it don't make too much difference now. Just be sure not to over oil or the lubricant will get on the rubber parts. Thats a sure ticket to the junk yard as parts can't be easy to come by.

You didn't say what the machine sounded like after you lubricated the capstan bearing. If it has been allowed to run dry for a lengthy period, it will have excessive runout. The lubricant can only help if it was running dry. Man, you don't want to run dry. Do ya Hilda?

Hope that helps.
 
Oh my....

It was a dry shaft, but probably not bone dry. :)

It made an annoying vibration that could be felt on the entire unit.

I removed the plastic retainer on the top side of the capstan and the retaining bracket under side. Let the capstan drop as far then applied the oil.

Work in and out and applied some at the top side for good measure.

No rubber parts were harmed in this endeavor.
 
Below is the tape deck I needed to fix up. Picked up for $75.

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Kewl kopy of the exceedingly expensive Ampex with the eternally mounted amplifier/metering setup. How retro!

By the way, one of the things that is tough to repair or replace is the rubber parts, most especially the capstan idler. A quick and dirty trick is to take the idler off and rough it up a little with a fresh pink eraser. All the while making sure no oil from your hands gets on the rubber. A tiny drop of oil on this bearing too is a good idea.

Seriously though, it does look cool.
 
Be sure not to let the lubricant creep up the shaft and into the tape path.
Lube on the tape will kill the frequency response when you play it next time.
If it vibrates too bad, then the brass bearing is in bad shape and using lube to "fill the gap" will only be a temporary fix as it will work itself out again.
If it is just "Dry" then light sewing machine oil and light gun slide lube will work.
As Balanced Line said...DON'T use WD-40! it might be good for your car hinges or your garage door rollers but as a lube for electronics....it stinks. It will attract more grit than anything else I know.
There used to be an outfit out of Kansas that supplied vintage replacements for a huge variety of replacement components (I used it for a rebuild on a crank up Victrola )
I'll see if I an find it again.
 
I just used that same oil to fix up one of these...

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Man I LOVE vintage gear... :)