Do you negotiate?

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Dave Winsor

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If you don't get his newsletter, you should. This is from Jeffrey Gitomer:

HELP! I need to get better at negotiation!
Eh, no Sparky, you need to get better at everything else so that you NEVER have to negotiate – or at least negotiate 90% less.

Negotiation is for people who are lousy at selling, don’t understand buying motives, haven’t provided value, are unable to differentiate themselves from the competition, can’t build trust, and have utterly failed at building relationships.

Maybe that’s why you have to “negotiate.”
Negotiation is not a problem. It’s a symptom.

And negotiate is only one of three words that make up your reality, and the real definition. The other two words are: your price. Negotiations are all about “concessions” and back and forth bickering about what you provide and how much it will cost. Negotiation “experts” call it give-and-take or win-win. That’s a bunch of crap. It’s lower your price, and sacrifice your profit.

I’m in the airplane as many as 20 times a month. In every airline magazine, there’s a two-page pullout ad for “effective negotiation.” It’s been in the magazines for years. It must work. I mean… they must be successful in selling the course.

Their latest ad campaign states in bold headlines, “It’s like steroids for your career!” Uh, correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t steroids illegal? Hey, you too can gain an unfair advantage! All you have to do is break the law. Sounds great – where do I sign up?

In the case of negotiation, it’s a violation of the law of fair play, manipulation, ethics, and relationship.

Reason you have to “negotiate?” You were calling on the wrong person or people in the first place.

REALITY: People in the C-suite don’t negotiate. They discuss, discern, and decide. And they do it based on perceived value and trust, not price.

Here’s the reality of why you have to negotiate:
• You failed to prove value beyond your competition.
• You failed to prove you were different from others selling the same product.
• You failed to gain enough trust to get a decision.
• You didn’t win on the lowest price, and they called you in to “match the price of the lowest vendor” and potentially win the business.
• You won the business at a low level, and were sent to procurement.
All upside down propositions (and you are at the bottom).

And, once you’re “in negotiations to get the business,” you’re relegated to manipulating and groveling to get the business – at a lower price, and less (or no) profit. Great move. And you call that making the sale. I call it a pyrrhic victory.
 
i negotiate to be satisfied,i dont negotiate satisfaction.
You negotiate when you are buying? Do customers negotiate with you for your services?

I think the article is dead on. Who is this Gitomer. I don't believe I've heard of him before.
 
I do give deals every once in awhile. Today I met with the mother of a bride. the Groom is getting deployed soon after his wedding in July. After having coffee with her she hired me. How much she ask? I told her. OK she replied. Having a great feel for this family and since it's a little I can do for what this young man is doing for us, I gave her $150 off my price.

I had another groom a few months back who tried to get me to come down in price. I already gave him $100 off because he's a firefighter. That wasn't good enough, he called me a few days later and tried to get me to comedown another $95. They really liked me but if I could work with them by bringing the price down a bit more. I said, if you want a cheaper DJ I'll help you find one. No he said, we just want you to come down a bit more in price, we really like you. (thinking to myself) No you don't, you just want a cheap price. I said to them, have a wonderful wedding.
 
Yeah, I'll give the occasional break due to the circumstances of the event, like not charging my full "ceremony price" if I dont need my second sound system and its in the same area as the reception.

Or the odd promotion on my site.

But I just don't "negotiate" for people who are looking for it - like Ron said.

To be honest though, I generally don't get ASKED to go lower - so maybe I shouldn't even be commenting.:sqbiggrin:
 
Be the best there is in your area and it will never come up.

Get out in front of as many people as possible as often as possible and it will never come up.

If your target niche can't afford your fees, find and change targets and it will never come up.

If you're not appreciated in your region, expand your boundaries and it will never come up.

If there's not enough talent and wow factor in your natural and learned show biz performances, and you're not getting those talents in front of enough people to create the buzz, then study marketing magic and get sales coaching so when it comes up, you have solid logical mind changing responses.
 
You know how some people have to pay a therapist $200 an hour to uncover the obvious?

That's how I feel about seminars, newsletters and other forms of self help.

WE'RE FREAKIN' DISC JOCKEYS!

How more complicated do we need to make it?
"I am willing to provide X service for Z dollars" The End
 
Of course I negotiate!

I negotiate when I make a purchase and I negotiate when I make a sale!

When I make a purchase I am looking for the best possible price on the product I want, the negotiation may be on price point or for a little extra thrown in.

When a client is looking for a DJ he or she is also looking for the best possible deal on the DJ they want, this doesn't mean matching the lowest guy in town it may not even mean coming down on the price, iot may just mean throwing in the mirror ball at the same price or giving them an extra half hour for free etc.
 
For people who say they don't, I wonder how many things they buy in life at full price?

When was the last time you paid "sticker" for a car?

When was the last time that you needed something and found more than one item that would do the job and bought the most expensive?

When was the last time you waited for a sale or a deal to buy that new piece of gear?

Why is it okay for you to negotiate, but not the B&G?

It always cracks me up, these guys saying "hire a professional DJ" and when it comes time to have your photo taken for your web site, you do it yourself, you you do your own web site, have you seen some of the web sites out there?

Yes I am guilty of it to, so I am not being "holier than thou" just trying to make a point.
 
For people who say they don't, I wonder how many things they buy in life at full price?

When was the last time you paid "sticker" for a car?

When was the last time that you needed something and found more than one item that would do the job and bought the most expensive?

When was the last time you waited for a sale or a deal to buy that new piece of gear?

Why is it okay for you to negotiate, but not the B&G?

It always cracks me up, these guys saying "hire a professional DJ" and when it comes time to have your photo taken for your web site, you do it yourself, you you do your own web site, have you seen some of the web sites out there?

Yes I am guilty of it to, so I am not being "holier than thou" just trying to make a point.
Because Chuck, the things you listed are all tangible items. They are the exact same no matter where you buy them, it's only the price that matters.

This would be more of a comparison:

When was the last time you negotiated a price with your auto mechanic?

When was the last time you negotiated a price with your dentist?

When was the last time you negotiated a price to see your favorite performer in concert?

A Ford F150 is the same no matter what dealer you go to. It's the dealer who choses to negotiate not the customer. However attempt to buy a Saturn and try negotiating the price. It won't happen.

What a Bride and Groom can negotiate with are lights, extra time, sound system etc, but to lessen your skills by reducing it to price is something many will not do. In most cases I know I won't.

I just had a church call me for a fundraiser. They know me and know what I can do. I gave them $100 off my price. The asked nicely for another $100. I said sure, but I can't guarantee I will be the DJ. I have another DJ who I would send should I get a double booking. They said to me, no thanks we want you, just the $100 is generous enough and we want our night to go right.

I'm sure I will throw in some extra money that night toward buying Raffle tickets etc, but these people did not want to negotiate a price, they wanted the DJ they are comfortable with at a price they could afford and still make money for the church.

I know, I'm gonna burn in hell for this one.:sqwink:
 
Actually Ron you are incorrect, all things are negotiable (including concert tickets and yes even grocery store items). It all comes down to what you are willing to negotiate for. As the economy worsens negotiating pricing will become more and more common.

I have a friend who feeds several hard hit families in the area by negotiaging with the local Food Lions on items that are close to but not over the expiration dates. His buys them in bulk lots at greatly reduced prices many times by the truck load. I love mushrooms and I always saute them. When I go to the grocery store I purchase the srooms they have pulled from the shelves because they have started to wilt and dry up, when cooked they don't look or taste any different from a completely fresh mushroom, but the cost is pennies on the dollar.

I constantly negotiate repair and parts cost with the garage owner who maintains my vehicles for me as he said it is always a winning situation for both of us, for a reduced repair rate he calls me when he has an opening in the shop. This allows him to fill in between repairs when he would normally be paying his people to just stand around waiting for work. It is a win win for both of us. If however, I have an emergency situation he always jumps right on it and I pay the normal rate.

I thought everyone negotiated price with their dentist! I got a $300 reduction in the cost of my bridge by doing just that! $2100 instead of $2400 for exactly the same piece of work. Of course he also negotiated the price with his provider as well! My dentist charges $80 for an extraction, however he never charges me more than $40 because I have them done without the extras. I require no novacaine, gas etc. just sit down and he rips it out!

I have never paid ticket price for a concert in my life, the last one I went to was a sold out Jonas Brothers Concert i took my grand daughter and her friends to got good first tier seats for less than half their selling price by a little searching and negotiation. Granted I had to wait until close to time for the concert to get this deal but could have done even better if i had waited and gone to the venue before buying them. I could have picked up 6 $300 floor tickets for $30 each from the guy out front who was desperately trying to get some of his money back before the concert started!

So yes all things are negotiable (even taxes)
 
For people who say they don't, I wonder how many things they buy in life at full price?

When was the last time you paid "sticker" for a car?

When was the last time that you needed something and found more than one item that would do the job and bought the most expensive?

When was the last time you waited for a sale or a deal to buy that new piece of gear?

Why is it okay for you to negotiate, but not the B&G?

It always cracks me up, these guys saying "hire a professional DJ" and when it comes time to have your photo taken for your web site, you do it yourself, you you do your own web site, have you seen some of the web sites out there?

Yes I am guilty of it to, so I am not being "holier than thou" just trying to make a point.

Sitting back and passively browsing for a deal or doing something yourself to save money isn't NEGOTIATING.

Negotiating is an active process.

I should clarify and qualify my answer like Steve did. I am always throwing things INTO a package, but never lowering the price of it unless such is warranted by an actual corresponding difference in type or amount of service required.

So properly stated, I'm a "one-way negotiator."

:sqlaugh:

I'll add stuff in, but the base is non-negotiable.