As Western civilized folks we need to get off our lazy, ignorant Arses and make things happen to make certain we never get into this predicament ever again.
Quit Blaming everyone else but yourself!!
- Thread starter Jon Tuck
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ummm...yeah.
I have been saying that for awhile now.
California, Obama, and others dont necessarily agree...
I have been saying that for awhile now.
California, Obama, and others dont necessarily agree...
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
Hey Jon who said I was lazy
wanna come do all my work that I am doing ?
I bet even you wont be able to keep up!!
wanna come do all my work that I am doing ?
I bet even you wont be able to keep up!!
We will......once we've had enough and then it will be another civil war to take our country back from the big business & big gov't that has destroyed it......just my 2 cents worth.
Umm am I missing something here. What are we talking about? The economy? The decay of the ozone layer by CO2 and other gases? Spending billions on space exploration and hoping to go to Mars to do what? If it's the economy I don't think its just California or Obama. What I think that has caused most of the worlds problems as of today is one word GREED Companies have it, people in general have it. I have it and so do many others.
My wife and I have talked about this for awhile. I think that all these things in the long run will end up being for the betterment of this world. For now it will hurt and it has hurt my family personally (wife unemployed). But if it did not happen we would have simply continued our practices of excess. And nothing would have changed. Look it it this way, our banking system is being retooled, our car system will end up being retooled. Our health care system will end up being retooled (no reason for everyone not to have health care).
Our country and many other counties have just been put on a diet. And told to get in shape before it kills us. It could be worse it could have just killed us. It makes me sad to see families distressed by whats going on. I do hope things will change. But please don't blame it on things like a State or a politician. Again blame it on world wide greed and irresponsiblity.
My wife and I have talked about this for awhile. I think that all these things in the long run will end up being for the betterment of this world. For now it will hurt and it has hurt my family personally (wife unemployed). But if it did not happen we would have simply continued our practices of excess. And nothing would have changed. Look it it this way, our banking system is being retooled, our car system will end up being retooled. Our health care system will end up being retooled (no reason for everyone not to have health care).
Our country and many other counties have just been put on a diet. And told to get in shape before it kills us. It could be worse it could have just killed us. It makes me sad to see families distressed by whats going on. I do hope things will change. But please don't blame it on things like a State or a politician. Again blame it on world wide greed and irresponsiblity.
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
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The economy will, tank in the next three years and will will see a replay of the 1930's.......The Ozone isn't decaying it is changing just like it has for millions of years, just like global warming and cooling has been happening for millions of years.......The eruption of Mt. St. Helens spewed more carbons into the atmosphere in one hour than man has in 100 years.....Space exploration I would agree with you on except for the fact that it has caused the invention of so many things most of us don't even realize are a direct result of space exploration.............
Greed is indeed one of the biggest problems mankind faces, has faced, and will continue to face!
I agree that this collapse will indeed be a great thing for this country (to heck with the rest of the world)! As for retooling the banks....that didn't happen if anything this bailout simply made it worse. The banking system will be retooled after it has totally collapsed which should have been allowed to happen in 2008! The auto industry hasn't been retooled either there we have the same situation as the banking system, it too should have been allowed to collapse in 2008.
Once these things happen then we will see a complete retooling!
Yep, we should let them fall and start over. I understand the ramifications, but we are broken!! We all need to rethink our spending, spiritual and personal habits. Big business needs to get back to basics.
Wipe the slate clean and start over. taking homes will not help. Let them fall and wipe out the debt. The economy will recover.
Wipe the slate clean and start over. taking homes will not help. Let them fall and wipe out the debt. The economy will recover.
Steve, I agree with you and Madness, that it should happen -- but I don't see it...
Reason IMHO, is you folks will keep giving them money
If the fed gov't has no money to spend (your tax dollars), they won't.
Reason IMHO, is you folks will keep giving them money
If the fed gov't has no money to spend (your tax dollars), they won't.
Greed will never completely go away.
If one looks at world history over the past, say 100 years or so, one will note the cause and effect of our malaise.
Notable are two countries, Germany and Japan. Both were pretty much destroyed during WWII and had to rebuild from the ground up. A few generations later, Germany and Japan are outpacing US via quality manufacturing and innovation. We sat back, got fat and expected everything to be handed to US.
While we were building Buicks that had to be hitched to a team of hosses to get us to work in the morning, Germany and Japan were rebuilding their infrastructure. As a result they're building quality products. We're building Wal-Marts.
If one looks at world history over the past, say 100 years or so, one will note the cause and effect of our malaise.
Notable are two countries, Germany and Japan. Both were pretty much destroyed during WWII and had to rebuild from the ground up. A few generations later, Germany and Japan are outpacing US via quality manufacturing and innovation. We sat back, got fat and expected everything to be handed to US.
While we were building Buicks that had to be hitched to a team of hosses to get us to work in the morning, Germany and Japan were rebuilding their infrastructure. As a result they're building quality products. We're building Wal-Marts.
Oh how true Fred most of our machines at work are German. Because they where the best that we could buy there where non in the US that could give our company what they needed.
I hear ya there, Dave. The tampon forming machines at Playtex were all made in Germany. Most of our packing machinery is imported, too as I understand.
I'm with who ever said the chips should of been left to fall where they may. We used to be a capitalist society which basically means businesses watch out for themselves. They eff up and tank oh well someone will come in, buy you on the auction block, and fold you into a bigger entity that's run properly. That's how things are supposed to work. Uncle Sam isn't supposed to bailout billion dollar companies who pay people millions upon millions of dollars and run the company into the ground.
Nah, Congress says lets cut the banks billions of dollars in checks then let them spend in what ever way they see fit.. Hey newsflash Mr. Congressman their business failed because their judgment sucks and they don't know how to manage their money. Then again what's a couple hundred billion between some good ol' boys.
Congress doesn't want to bail out the auto industry what does Bush do? does an end run around Congress and does it anyhow. 2 years from now GM will still be putting out crappy cars and looking for another hand out.
Welcome to the world of corporate welfare. I may have to start a corp and tank it, maybe I can get a few million for chits and giggles. 
Nah, Congress says lets cut the banks billions of dollars in checks then let them spend in what ever way they see fit.. Hey newsflash Mr. Congressman their business failed because their judgment sucks and they don't know how to manage their money. Then again what's a couple hundred billion between some good ol' boys.
Congress doesn't want to bail out the auto industry what does Bush do? does an end run around Congress and does it anyhow. 2 years from now GM will still be putting out crappy cars and looking for another hand out.
Welcome to the world of corporate welfare. I may have to start a corp and tank it, maybe I can get a few million for chits and giggles.
I agree. Bailing out the banks was supposed to protect the average Joe Consumer and get lending loosened up. That hasn't happened.
An auto industry bailout would help if the industry had a clue. That hasn't happened.
What many folks don't realize is, these bailout billions are borrowed. We don't have that kind of money laying around. It's being borrowed from countries that sell us petroleum and pretty much anything else we don't produce for our own consumption. And it's gotta be paid back.
In this old dog's opinion, the guv'mint should make good on accounts that failed banks are holding, nothing more. Let the mismanaged banks and car companies live or die on their own merits. They're the ones who chit the bed. Why should we the taxpayers bail them out after they've already bled us dry in the stock markets?
I mean, honestly... you're paying corporate execs millions while your profits are in the toilet. What the heck kind of business plan is that?
An auto industry bailout would help if the industry had a clue. That hasn't happened.
What many folks don't realize is, these bailout billions are borrowed. We don't have that kind of money laying around. It's being borrowed from countries that sell us petroleum and pretty much anything else we don't produce for our own consumption. And it's gotta be paid back.
In this old dog's opinion, the guv'mint should make good on accounts that failed banks are holding, nothing more. Let the mismanaged banks and car companies live or die on their own merits. They're the ones who chit the bed. Why should we the taxpayers bail them out after they've already bled us dry in the stock markets?
I mean, honestly... you're paying corporate execs millions while your profits are in the toilet. What the heck kind of business plan is that?
Jon Jon Jon, what predicament? I like being lazy and with Obama taking command, it will be even easier to maintain this lifestyle.
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I am sure we will be behind you all the way!
I am planning to move to the cave when the crap starts flying and when the smoke settles I will come back down the mountain!
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Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and announced to the
villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the
forest and started catching them.
The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the
villagers stopped their effort. He next announced that he would now buy
monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they
started catching monkeys again.
Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to
their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys
became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch
it!
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However,
since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy
on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the
villagers: "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has
already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns
from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each."
The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for
700 billion dollars.
They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys!
Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN
WILL WORK !!!!
It doesn't get much clearer than this................
villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the
forest and started catching them.
The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the
villagers stopped their effort. He next announced that he would now buy
monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they
started catching monkeys again.
Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to
their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys
became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch
it!
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However,
since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy
on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the
villagers: "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has
already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when the man returns
from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each."
The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for
700 billion dollars.
They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys!
Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN
WILL WORK !!!!
It doesn't get much clearer than this................