Looking for some feedback on outdoor events

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DougF

Mac Daddy DJ
Nov 13, 2006
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Indianapolis,IN
For those of you who do outdoor events, what is your policy or how do you handle events that are "weather permitting", as opposed to a "rain or shine" event, in an environment that is not setup to handle covering a crowd.

Do you preset rain dates at contract signing?
Allow for rain dates with x number of days?
Charge extra up front to cover a rain date option?
Say sorry only one date to a customer?

etc...

What do you do or what would you suggest?

I do a lot of these type events and after a very wet June took a lot of hits to my calendar and pocketbook. I think I need a better way to handle this that is fair to me and the client as we can't control the weather.
 
Weather permitting:
If they cancel prior to me loading my van, then they owe me the full balance less $100.
If they cancel after I load, they own the full balance.

Rain or shine:
The must provide shelter / tent.

Rain Dates:
They pay the base price, less $100, for the extra day.

If the rain date is also cancelled out, then, again, deduct $100 from the balance.

I.E. Lets say it's $900 plus $400 for optional extras. The rain date charge will be $800. Contract is for $2100. If both dates are rained out, the total they end up paying is $1600.


In the very unlikely case I get another gig on the cancelled date, or on the rain date after the event occurs on the first date, then they'll get that part of the payments back.


FYI:
$100 is what I figure gas and wear & tear on my equipment, van and back is worth.
 
For outdoor events, I furnish my own protection, a FIRST UP tent. I have sides for it as well. The main purpose for me is to keep the sun off my equipment. Secondly, to keep the rain off the gear.
The tent is 10 ft X 10 ft
More than enough room for me and my gear, as well as the occasional live performer!
I'll play, rain or shine!
Most events get canceled by the client when it rains.

I get paid, rain or shine.

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thanks Steve thats how I do it

they supply the shelter to 99% of the time
as we dont have the real crazy weather here that I have seen other Dj's get
we dont have to worry much on that either...
 
Rain or shine:
The must provide shelter / tent.
For outdoor events, I furnish my own protection, a FIRST UP tent.
Let me clarify: They are SUPPOSED to provide me a tent. Doesn't always happen. I have my own 10' x 10' EZ-Up tent that I bring anyway.

The only exception, where I INSIST on a tent, is when I do the Relay For Life. The nice thing is, the tent they'll get me is sturdier than mine, and it's 16' x 16'
 
Steve, so does that mean when you book an outdoor event you only do it exclusively as "rain or shine"?
 
I do a lot of big outdoor events (between 500-5,000 people), 95% of which are rain or shine. I have tarps for my speakers and a tent for me. Even if it isn't raining at the time, I always have my rain gear with me at outdoor events.

For the occasional event which is cancelled because of rain, it sux to be me on that date.

FYI- EZ up tents and First Up tents are water repellant, not waterproof, so they will leak if wet enough
 
Let me put it this way. My fee is due whether the event happens or not. If a hurricane happens to hit on the day of the event, I still get paid.

I have played at events where there was intermittent rain / drizzle. My enclosure protects me from the elements well. So I have no fear of equipment damage.

Usually, if there is significant rain, the audience splits and the event shuts down. But that is totally up to the event sponsor.

Fortunately, I have enjoyed good weather 95% of the time.
 
FYI- EZ up tents and First Up tents are water repellant, not waterproof, so they will leak if wet enough

DJBob - Thanks for that reminder! It's always a good idea to get a can or 4 of scotchgard or some such spray-on water-proofer BEFORE using your new EZ-up or First-up tent for the first time. Your dry equipment will thank you! (Now THAT'S a lesson I wish I hadn't learned the hard way... :sqmad:)
 
When I do an outdoor gig...I charge a $1000 for the outdoor gig...$200 for insurance....(ie...a rain free tent/building)

So for example if you wanted an outdoor event....I need $1000 in my pocket....if it rains, you (the client) are screwed.

If you purchase the $200 insurance, you need to provide a "secondary" rain free location. In this scenario, I would have my second system setup, and I would have a DJ available to run this system.

So lets say you are a bar and you want a street dance....here is how I charge.....

$200 indoor insurance
$1000 4 hour package


Now if it rains.....the $1000 gets divided into hourly-half hourly rates......

So lets say the gig is from 9-1......

8:45 its raining, and there is no point of opening up my trailer....you will be charged for the first hour of the outdoor package and the indoor insurance of $200.

So your mininum would be $450.

Lets just say it rained at 10:43.......I would charge $200 indoors.....and 1.5 hours ($375 outdoors) for a total of $575.......)

I wouldnt nickel and dime my clients...and I am willing to give away 15-30 minutes no problem...a happy customer will always rebook you at possibly a better date.

I have contemplated this issue many times over and over, and this is the most honest I can get. I am trying to make both sides win.

I just did a wedding where it poured like a son of a gun, and we kept playing. Went real awesome, and everyone, including me, had a great time.

Also as you know I have the table/tents/chairs.....here is what I am thinking.....

Lets say my clients bill was $350 for equipment rental.......and I setup during the day......in my contract I state....I get paid for equipment rental rain or shine......well I would probably settle for like $150-$250 depending on my client, and how much of a job it was to set-up.)

I am extremely flexible, and even though I can nickel and dime my customers, doesnt mean I have to.

If it lightly rains....and the party continues as planned...my clients will be charged in full.

BTW...for bar gigs...my "insurance" (ie...second system) ...is a great add on. I can sell this for three main reasons.....

1) Inclement weather
2) Nasty Mosquitos
3) Clients to warm up

I also figured instead of splitting my resources to two places....I will focus on the main event for that night to "ENSURE" all things run smoothly. So far...so good...and I hope it continues to grow as such.

Well, I hope this helps you....:sqbiggrin:
 
DJ Zac- you're welcome, glad I was able to help jog the old memory (sometimes I need it too)

Completely off topic and not wanting to hijack this thread but my cousin lives in Loudonville and got married the end of August, his last name is Brickman. I was wondering who the DJ was (I wasn't expecting them to ask me since I live in Fla and they are in upstate NY, I am just curious if it was you or someone else from the boards)
 
Doug : While most colleagues are rightfully concerned about rain water that comes straight down, my concern goes considerably beyond that. High winds, blistering sun, a momentary downpour that creates rivers of water underfoot.

This topic was beat up not long ago and many business policies and procedures as well as contract obligations were presented; some logically, some emotionally.

My thinking is always from the stand point that the show must go on. What needs to be done to insure that the show must go on? Because only if the show goes on am I going to be able to be comfortable in being paid in full, come hell or high water.

The next step logically is the protective needs to insure that the show must go on, who delineates them, who provides them, and at what cost?

My business does perhaps 2 outdoor events a year maximum, and they are primarily wedding receptions under a tent during the summer. Regionally, summers here are stifling heat, high humidity, and frequent violent thunderstorms with heavy fast downpours.

Based on that, in order to protect me and my equipment to insure that the show must go on, it was decided that the whole setup must be protected from overhead sun or rain, the sides must be protected from high heavy winds and sideways rain, and the underfoot area must be off the ground by 4" - 6" to eliminate the need to move anything anywhere during a brief but heavy torrential downpour that creates mini rivers underfoot. In other words, try to recreate an indoor protective environment...outdoors.

Business policy now says who is going to provide all this? Do I and what are the costs and ramifications? Do they [the client] and how are they told the details and ramifications?

Two shows a year? Nope. Not getting into the expense of buying, hauling, and setting up a 16' x 16' enclosure with sides. Nope. Not getting into the expense of buying, hauling, and setting up a 15' x 15' x 6" riser/platform. Nope. Not getting into the extra expense of insurance coverages for these items should something go wrong. Just the storage and setup/breakdown time elements alone don't make sense to me.

My business decision then boiled down to two choices. Go ahead and buy, store, transport, and hire help to setup/breakdown exactly what I need and pass that expense through (certainly won't do it for free!!!) or put it in my contract and have the client and their tent people (who already have tons of this stuff in inventory) provide it, most likely at a much cheaper cost to the client than what I would need to recoup.

My business decision was contract inclusion, to wit:

IX. For outdoor events, the HOST and his equipment must be fully protected from all weather related elements such as but not limited to wind, rain, snow, and sun from overhead, underneath, and all sides. For outdoor events, the CLIENT is required to provide the Host a platform, stage, or riser, the minimum dimensions being 12 feet deep, 16 feet wide, and 4 inches tall.
With this, the show will go on, come hell or high water. If the client calls it off, it's on them. I don't ever want to be the one that says, "Sorry, it's over". Ever.
 
Bob, I dunno if this will help but I'll try.

We don't play an extraordinary amount of shows outdoors. Once in awhile we'll get a wedding or party in someone's backyard. Our service agreement does require the client to provide us protection from the elements. Though not as detailed as Cap's, it places the onus on the client. In most cases a large rented tent is already there and we're set up inside the tent. On occasion we've been set up on a patio where the client has a tent for our use.

We get paid in full if we we arrive at the engagement site, rain or none. True, the client cannot control the weather. Neither can we. If it's raining on the event date and the client calls and cancels before we get there we'll honor a partial refund if asked. We'll honor a raincheck date if asked and if the date is available. This has yet to occur since most of these types of events are rarely rescheduled outdoors.

In the old days I did many a backyard and pool party with no coverage. I got sunburned etc. No more. Now we must have some sort of coverage, even if said coverage is a dusty garage. As others have mentioned, we always load an EZ up tent just in case the client forgets. We've had to use if a few times, too. Like Cap, we'll do everything we possibly can to ensure that we keep our end of the bargain.

When I lived in Virginia I was playing at the local street festivals every year for... gosh, 14 years or so. They'd book every year. My agreement specifies protection from the elements so they'd reserve the breezeway in an historic building for me. All the other music acts and performers were out in the weather and on their own.

During my tenure at these festivals I saw all manner of different weather conditions. It was held in September and some years it was rather cool out. Some years it rained and we went home early.

One year a t-storm rolled over the mountains. It was nice and sunny out. 15 minutes later it was raining hell-bent for election and literally washed the vendors' displays down the street. The street became a raging river. That's how hard and fast the rain came down. The street vendors didn't have time to get their wares stowed away, let alone covered. I can only imagine how the bands and other performers fared that day. :eek:

But we were always safe and sound in our breezeway every year. It might be hot and sunny, it might be cool and cloudy. It might rain. The weather didn't affect us one bit. If it rained I'd just move the speakers back under the breezeway and keep on rolling.
 
I do the occasional outdoor show.

First off if is a booking of mine, I'm paid in full two weeks befor my event and as stated in my contract, non refundable...

If is though an agent.... "Houston, we have a problem!" LOL

With the agent we have a "rain call" the day of the event, which means they have to decide by noon if it is going to happen, or if it is to move or if it is to cancel.... it has never canceled.

I made a post a couple of weeks ago about DJing in some baby rain, but I will not stop unless I have to.
 
Fred- I know that I am in a different situation than most of the DJs here. My pre-game parties before every Buc's home game is definately a rain or shine event, and they have a rental tent for me every week (picture #1). Same thing for the Hospitality village at the Outback Bowl every year. However, rental tents will still leak, and even if it is a brand new waterproof tent, it doesn't do anything for the banks of speakers 200 ft on each side of me (picture #2). BTW- there are 3 Peavey SP4G speakers behind the grill which is a 4X8 sheet of expanded metal designed to ward off errant football throws, and that is a 27 inch sub with an expanded metal grill on it also. My training as a paramedic in a previous life has taught me to always plan for worse case scenarios, so I always have tarps nearby, today they are rolled up in a bag behind the speakers

I have seen downpours on game day, yet the show must go on.
 

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