KJ's use inferior equipment, why?

[JoeChartreuse]

1) The Low bass bowel movment myth was busted. The Myth Busters did that one on TV a while back Completely encased the guy inside of four walls of speakers and ran the system producing frequencies from 10 Hertz to 100 hertz at 130DB with no physical effect. (he didn't crap his pants) LOL



2) In one small venue from the time I start until the time I am finished the volume level never drops below 115 DB, it is an awesome show for it's size.
At another venue (mid-size) if you want to talk you will have to go outside.
Yes I use the power I carry.

1) Actually it's not a myth, they just used the wrong guinea pig. It is not uncommon for some seniors to develop a variation of Menier's (sp?) Syndrome called Tulio's Syndrome. Certain sounds can cause dizziness, nausea, those loose bowels, and even rage...and unless they have an excellent doctor, most go undiagnosed or mis-diagnosed. I have a version of it-certain vacuum cleaners and leaf blowers can can make me angry, but I've learned to control it.

2) We have different philosophies regarding volume. I generally set up for sound to fade toward the back of the room, enabling those not singing or watching to engage in conversation.


.....and at half a century, I'm still in puberty....

 

[JoeChartreuse]

I think using good equipment for karaoke is very important regardless. Let them mic be revealing....I don't think people do karaoke to hear muddy sounds. I think they show up to laugh and enjoy at whoever has submitted themselves to the gong show.....

More forgiving doesn't have to mean less clear. That's why we adjust sound for each singer. Also, I believe that if a mic makes a singer sound better, that it IS quality equipment..

I think some come to laugh, but most of my singers do it because it makes them feel good, and the non-singers can find the singers' good feelings infectious.

 

[Guest]

Meniere's Syndrome = Vertigo

Tulio's phenomenon the effects are not from low bass (what comes from a sub) but is most often triggered at frequencies around 500 hertz mid range frequencies. Note it is triggered by not caused by, people with this condition simply don't listen to music where a large amount of the frequencies are in the 250 to 1000 hertz range. Most cases are from a fractured temporal bone in the inner ear and can be cured by surgery. Again the result is vertigo.

Again the crap your pants because of low bass has for a long time been a myth no one has been able to document this ever occuring because of low bass. Although there have been some that can be explained as being caused by alcohol consumption.

 

[Jeff Romard]

Hi Jeff! Actually I was half in the bag when I took it off....

LOL...... accch damn 10 characters

 

[Jeff Romard]

Ive always preached that if you use the power properly, with good equaliztion and processing, you can pretty much use all you want. Most people that complain about music being too loud are actually suffering ear fatigue from bad sound

Always use power to creare sound not noise

 

[HiDefDJ]

I start a gig on January 13. I plan to attend a few other local shows in the coming weeks to see what other guys have for song selections and gear.

 

[Fred Wright]

I agree with Jeff. Ear fatigue can be a real bugbear in this biz.

Piezo horn drivers are notorious for this. Back when I was working with the RS crap, the mids could be eardrum-piercing. It was typically "too loud" for smallish venues. In truth, it was too harsh. I couldn't get a good tone with piezo drivers.

 

[Guest]

Too little power trying to reach a good SPL level will cause fatigue a lot faster than having the power needed to reach those levels easily and cleanly.

As for the piezo tweeters, there are times when they can be used production level sound just isn't one of them although many manufacturers have tried to put them in cabinets for DJs to have a cheaper alternative.

I think some come to laugh, but most of my singers do it because it makes them feel good, and the non-singers can find the singers' good feelings infectious.


Joe isn't that the truth! What is great is watching that shy little introvert with the sqeaky quiet little voice that you have to push almost to feedback to hear turn around and become an awesome out going diva who can power out notes while slamming a compressor.

 

[Jeff Romard]

Too little power trying to reach a good SPL level will cause fatigue a lot faster than having the power needed to reach those levels easily and cleanly.

Yup that and/or alot of midrange

 

[JoeChartreuse]

Meniere's Syndrome = Vertigo

Tulio's phenomenon the effects are not from low bass (what comes from a sub) but is most often triggered at frequencies around 500 hertz mid range frequencies. Note it is triggered by not caused by, people with this condition simply don't listen to music where a large amount of the frequencies are in the 250 to 1000 hertz range. Most cases are from a fractured temporal bone in the inner ear and can be cured by surgery. Again the result is vertigo.

Again the crap your pants because of low bass has for a long time been a myth no one has been able to document this ever occuring because of low bass. Although there have been some that can be explained as being caused by alcohol consumption.

Right on many points, Steve. Since most people haven't heard of Tulio's, I use the Meniere's association to help explain it. The temporal bone IS associated, but neccesarily damaged. It could be nerves associated with it, or malformations in other parts of the ear that affect it (my case).

As for the subs: It's not always the bass, but the sub-sonics that accompany it. The sub-sonics can also be affected by the accoustics ( read sound transmitting materials in the construction of the room).

I should mention that I was introduced to a group of sufferers when I was attempting to learn more about the subject, and this causes some disagreement in terms of the range of effects on the individual. All of the ones mentioned ( with the notable exception of pants-crapping- though abdominal cramps were included) were described to me.

The frequency range you mention is GENERALLY correct. But many can't take the subsonics from a rumbling motorcycle outside their home, or the noise of dishes being piled together..many exceptions to the rule..

I have also been asked to keep the bass down at senior events.

All of that aside, my smaller karaoke set up still has 3-ways with 15" woofers, and people seem to like the sound. The larger set-up DOES include a sub, but it so happens that the larger venues where I use it seem to attract a younger crowd anyway.....

PS- I AM a bathroom bassist

 

[JoeChartreuse]

Joe isn't that the truth! What is great is watching that shy little introvert with the sqeaky quiet little voice that you have to push almost to feedback to hear turn around and become an awesome out going diva who can power out notes while slamming a compressor.

Steve,

That joy is the main reason that I'm in the business. Also the look on a karaoke virgin's face when they finish their first song and they hear the crowd applause. It doesn't get better than that!