ipods in the industry: "get used to it"

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I can't respect an iPod DJ. That's just too much to ask.
But i will accept it, simply because there is nothing i can do.
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That's pretty lame. What has "respect" got to do with it?

If iPod mix units would do everything I want and need to do in my events I would not hesitate to use one. I don't care from where the tracks come - I only care that I can access and manipulate them at pace on par with my own speed and skills.

I can easily see the day in the immediate future where none of the things that "I" dislike about iPod gadgetry will be an issue.

I'm also certain there are countless other people for whom the technology has already crossed such a line.
 
Proformance said:
I can easily see the day in the immediate future where none of the things that "I" dislike about iPod gadgetry will be an issue.

I'm also certain there are countless other people for whom the technology has already crossed such a line.
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Unfortunately, I can see that day, and farther. I can see the day when, thanks to mistaken impressions, DIY will make a HUGE dent in the DJ market. I see this caused by DJs themselves. Please forgive my being an anachronism, but I think I'll stretch it out some....
 
Some guy on ebay was DJing with your standard CD player/walkman, and had the balls to try and sell it.
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When CD's first came out...this is exaxtly what we used to DJ. There was no "professional" DJ cd players. They came later after manufacturers realized there was a market for DJ players...and they sure didn't do what they can do today.

It doesn't matter what equipment you use to do the job...It's the positive performance that counts to the client.
 
This coming from one who has been in the Biz longer than any of us. Yet he continues to move along with the times flawlessly. I model myself with this same welcome to progress and the times. Super soak the lack for progress.
 
I can see the day when, thanks to mistaken impressions, DIY will make a HUGE dent in the DJ market. I see this caused by DJs themselves.
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LOL

Yeah, there some stage coach drivers who are still blaming the guys who bought the first steam engines and made transportation look easy.

Should we put you in the column for "it's the other DJs fault?" :sqwink:
 
I miss Dude Walker

OK, in remeberance of Dude...
 

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Johnny Dee said:
It doesn't matter what equipment you use to do the job...It's the positive performance that counts to the client.
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I stated that...

All they want, is a good time. Nothing more.
It's just they may get the crazy idea they could've just done that iPod "thing" themselves, when that is not true. While they could, they pay for the experience of the DJ and their ability to party :sqlaugh:
 
The way I see it there will always be people wanting cheap. But in turn I feel that there are more people that want the DJ. Quite a few weddings that we have done lately many of the people had never been to a wedding where there was a DJ and they loved having there very own DJ just for them. Many brides and grooms that are of moderate income I feel will see this as just adding class to and event that they have tried very hard to add class to. That and if we are somewhat reasonable or in there general price range will see that as much more preferable to and ipod and some rented speakers.
 
Proformance said:
LOL

Yeah, there some stage coach drivers who are still blaming the guys who bought the first steam engines and made transportation look easy.

Should we put you in the column for "it's the other DJs fault?" :sqwink:
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I actually have no idea what bearing this has on what I said.



I'll try again. My comments are not about whether the equipment is good or bad. They're not about whether they are easier to use. They are not about sound quality.

My comments are strictly about Marketing. When DJs worked with vinyl, people realized that they didn't have the collection or equipment, so there were very few DIY., The same went for cassettes and that bulky equipment. The same goes for CDs and the equipment needed for them.

They DO have iPODs and PCs. They DO have access to a customized collection of MP3s within minutes at very low cost. PCs, whether I like them or not, still give the impression of the need for some expertise. iPODs, thet so many use and carry, do not. Hence the impression that an iPOD DYI might be easy, and an iPOD DJ may not be worth the fee. I am not saying that this is actually true, I am saying that this is the clients' perception. This has already been proven by the steep rise in DYI events.

Like it or not, and believe it or not- our own laziness and searching for "an easier way" has already put a dent in the market, and will continue to do so.


I am not trying to change anyone's mind. However, as long as marketing is important to any type of sale- be it a service or a product- I will continue to market myself and my equipment in such a way as to increase the client perception of my worth. Others make their own choices...


I would also add, for the sake of clarity, that I have nothing but respect for ANYONE who does quality work- whatever their equipment. I am merely explaining my own personal reasons regarding my position on iPODS for professional use.
 
I rarely recall being asked what format or name brands used when asking if at all about equipment. I merely State that I use industry leading professional gear. Nothing further asked or added. DJs and KJ hosts really are mostly out of touch with perception and the thoughts of the average client. My gain!!!
 
I actually have no idea what bearing this has on what I said.
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Of course you don't, you can't even decide whether customers are motivated by you or your gear ! :sqwink:

Why do you have a deep-seeded need to make DJing appear so complicated? :sqembarrassed:

Are DJs just naturally prone to inferiority complexes? :sqconfused:

The "dent" in DJ biz is not an image problem. It is a new result of a very real simplicity.
 
good point Bob Carpenter the grocery stores are filled with simplistic forms of gourmet style dishes in the frozen section cause folks want simplicity.
 
Proformance said:
1) Why do you have a deep-seeded need to make DJing appear so complicated? :sqembarrassed:



2) The "dent" in DJ biz is not an image problem. It is a new result of a very real simplicity.
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1) What I have is a deep seated need to present both myself and my equipment in combination as worth the fee that I'm asking.


2) Exactly- and ADVERTISING that simplicity is not a smart marketing move.
 
ADVERTISING that simplicity is not a smart marketing move.
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The one word name for that is Bulls---t.

...present both myself and my equipment...
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If they want to hire a DJ they care about personnel, not gear.

Do you care whether your roofer uses a nail gun or a hammer - or are you most interested in great results at a reasonable price?
 
Proformance said:
1) The one word name for that is Bulls---t.



2) If they want to hire a DJ they care about personnel, not gear.

Do you care whether your roofer uses a nail gun or a hammer - or are you most interested in great results at a reasonable price?
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1) Um.....The lack of clarity in this statement is more than compensated by it's brevity.


2) Nope, but a roofer isn't under public scrutiny, his job doesn't look like fun ( hmmmm- just marketing?), and the job he does is a neccesity, while ours is for entertainment.


What I have stated has already come to pass. iPOD DIY have already made a large dent in the market. We professionals know it's the "personnel", but the prospective clients do not. They will not ask about your equipment, but they will, after observing someone else's iPOD event, try it on their own.


Either way, Proformance, I am, at the risk of repeating myself, not attempting to change your views. I am merely trying to explain mine.
 
We professionals know it's the "personnel", but the prospective clients do not.
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I think you are mistaken. People do know it's the personnel and they are not happy with the choices - so they prefer to DIY.
 
Proformance said:
I think you are mistaken. People do know it's the personnel and they are not happy with the choices - so they prefer to DIY.
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SOME do know, and on this point I am in agreement with you. So I guess it's a combination of the ease of use that an iPOD represents, and the perceived lack of value vs. DJ fees by some perspective clients?
 
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