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tunes4046

Mac Daddy DJ
Jul 24, 2008
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Most of you know I have mostly retired from DJing. For the last 20 plus years my business has been 100 percent referrals, over the last 5 days I have taken 15 calls for gigs ranging from charity community events to large scale wedding productions, while it hard to say no, the more difficult part for me is not having anyone I truly trust to refer these people to. It seems to be that in my area there are just not many DJs left that I feel comfortable associating my name with
 
Well… I wasn’t in business as long as you. I only DJ’d for 6 years. I wasn’t familiar with many other disc jockeys in the area, but I found a niche in the fund raiser/political event business. I played music, but also MC’d many of the events. When I retired, it was because COVID put a huge damper on my business. I still received inquiries from time-to-time, but I knew of no other DJ in Oklahoma City doing what I was doing, so there was nobody I could recommend. Retiring wasn’t that difficult for me, as Covid killed my business, then I moved to Texas. Starting over at 69 years old would have been nearly impossible under ideal circumstances, but completely impossible for someone who moved to a small rural town (me), with a population of around 3,600 people.😊
 
Well… I wasn’t in business as long as you. I only DJ’d for 6 years. I wasn’t familiar with many other disc jockeys in the area, but I found a niche in the fund raiser/political event business. I played music, but also MC’d many of the events. When I retired, it was because COVID put a huge damper on my business. I still received inquiries from time-to-time, but I knew of no other DJ in Oklahoma City doing what I was doing, so there was nobody I could recommend. Retiring wasn’t that difficult for me, as Covid killed my business, then I moved to Texas. Starting over at 69 years old would have been nearly impossible under ideal circumstances, but completely impossible for someone who moved to a small rural town (me), with a population of around 3,600 people.😊
The town I live in 2300 people lol
 
Most of you know I have mostly retired from DJing. For the last 20 plus years my business has been 100 percent referrals, over the last 5 days I have taken 15 calls for gigs ranging from charity community events to large scale wedding productions, while it hard to say no, the more difficult part for me is not having anyone I truly trust to refer these people to. It seems to be that in my area there are just not many DJs left that I feel comfortable associating my name with
Not trying be funny here. I know you say you're retiring from DJing. Do you still have the itch and you need to scratch it?

My suggestion is if you are retired and people are still contacting you about doing an event for them, tell them you've retired and let them find someone to do the event. I clearly understand you wanting to help them find a good DJ to do the event, especially when it's a former client. You don't want them to get a DJ who will do a poor job at the event. Once you tell them that you're retired and you can't recommend a DJ for them to contact about doing the event, it's up to them to find a DJ to do the event. Just wish them well and hope they find a DJ who will do a great job at the event.
 
There are still some DJs in my area that I have kept in touch with over 20+ years. Many are now multi-ops and/or have branched out beyond DJing. I trust their employees are up to their standards. It has been over a decade since I published my number, so I rarely get calls. Friends though still refer me. I still enjoy DJing. It is the gear hauling that I don't like. That is why I mostly do karaoke stuff. My smaller speakers are more than sufficient for it.
 
I started out DJing in Michigan in 1980...then moved to the Denver, Colorado area and picked right up where I left off!

I cut way back on DJing after I had a stroke in 2010, but still did a few gigs here and there.

Then life changed for me...divorce...sold the house...hit the road with my four Mainecoone cats in my 5th-wheel RV...and wound up buying a place in Yuma, Arizona...and have since remarried!

Made a trip back to Denver and got my DJ gear and whatever else I could fit in the RV...took the rest of the stuff to the Denver landfill and donated what I could to the Goodwill...and brought it all down here.

I gave away all of my big speakers, records, turntables and all of the crap to a friend in Denver, but I did keep powered speakers and some amps and other sound effects equipment.

I have since donated all of the sound equipment I didn't need to a local event called 'Howling At The Moon', which is a fun festival held during the winter months here on full moon and the next night where they have bands playing, food and beer tents...they howl at the moon when it pops up over the mountain...then everyone goes home!

I still DJ several times a year, and I've found a niche in +55 retirement resorts.

I live in one now and have found that these are the people who appreciate the music that I grew up with and I don't have to do mosh pits, rap crap and grunge music for these crowds.

I still work full time, but am seriously thinking about retiring from that job in a year or two, then supplementing my income DJing for more of the +55 crowd.

I'm 66 now and I still DJ old skool (ie.- still using CD's and dual CD decks)...and am thinking about adding a cassette deck or two so I can dig out my cassette singles to take on the road with me again...they still play perfectly after all these years in storage!

Anyway...I'm not done yet!
 

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I started out DJing in Michigan in 1980...then moved to the Denver, Colorado area and picked right up where I left off!

I cut way back on DJing after I had a stroke in 2010, but still did a few gigs here and there.

Then life changed for me...divorce...sold the house...hit the road with my four Mainecoone cats in my 5th-wheel RV...and wound up buying a place in Yuma, Arizona...and have since remarried!

Made a trip back to Denver and got my DJ gear and whatever else I could fit in the RV...took the rest of the stuff to the Denver landfill and donated what I could to the Goodwill...and brought it all down here.

I gave away all of my big speakers, records, turntables and all of the crap to a friend in Denver, but I did keep powered speakers and some amps and other sound effects equipment.

I have since donated all of the sound equipment I didn't need to a local event called 'Howling At The Moon', which is a fun festival held during the winter months here on full moon and the next night where they have bands playing, food and beer tents...they howl at the moon when it pops up over the mountain...then everyone goes home!

I still DJ several times a year, and I've found a niche in +55 retirement resorts.

I live in one now and have found that these are the people who appreciate the music that I grew up with and I don't have to do mosh pits, rap crap and grunge music for these crowds.

I still work full time, but am seriously thinking about retiring from that job in a year or two, then supplementing my income DJing for more of the +55 crowd.

I'm 66 now and I still DJ old skool (ie.- still using CD's and dual CD decks)...and am thinking about adding a cassette deck or two so I can dig out my cassette singles to take on the road with me again...they still play perfectly after all these years in storage!

Anyway...I'm not done yet!
Thanks for your post. I see you said you still use CDs to DJ with. I say whatever you feel comfortable with using to get the job done.
 
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Tunes4046 you said you don't know any DJs in your area that you would recommend to a client. Did you ever consider mentoring a DJ so they can learn from you to become a great DJ like you were? Just an idea.

I had a guy that delivered the mail to the sites that had a cousin who had a son who wanted to be a DJ. Since I knew him for many years I decided to go and try to help this guy with becoming a DJ. It didn't work out. One of the things I tried to instill in him was to get clean versions of the songs because not everyone wants a DJ who only plays songs with explicit lyrics. It was a big mess with him.

I decided to help him with a block party near where I used to live. I had another DJ friend with me that day. I left to do something else and when I got back one kid was up on one of the subs and one of the woofers in the sub was busted. I didn't cause a scene to make things look bad at the block party. I asked for me to play since it was almost over. There was 30-45 minutes left. He said he got it.

After that he asked my friend could he use a couple of his speakers for the event he was having the next day. To attend the event it cost $3. I knew right then it was going to be some hot ghetto mess. I told my friend if you do I was going to beat him up. Last I heard he no longer DJs anymore. After what happened that day I decided to never help him with being a DJ.

I tried to help him but he wouldn't listen. I like helping someone out if I can. There are some that you just can't help out. You have to let them go and let them figure it out on their own.
 
When I went to help this guy I didn't know he was ghetto and his thinking was ghetto. He was young and he was used to listening to that hard-core rap music where the songs have explicit lyrics all through the songs. Stuff that they listen to in their cars blasting that music with the words B, MF Whore and a whole lot worse. To him and his friends it's normal. I tried to explain to him he needed clean versions of the songs because not everyone will want a DJ playing songs with explicit lyrics.

Never mind if they know the original words to the songs. Personally for me I I don't like doing an event that they want that garbage. If I know when talking to them about doing the event, that that's what they want, I will turn down the event and wish them well.. My experience is someone wanting a DJ to play such songs is not going to have the event in a classy venue because they are not willing or don't have the money to have the event in a classy place. Occasionally there is an exception. Either way I don't care to do such a gig.
 
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Thanks for your post. I see you said you still use CDs to DJ with. I say whatever you feel comfortable with using to get the job done.

I am set up to DJ with the computer...but I just don't like it.

Seems that all I do is stand around and click the mouse every once in a while.

With the CD's...I still have to work...remember which CD a song is on...find it...cue it up...then seamlessly play it without missing a beat!

Plus...when people see an 8-foot banquet table covered with 1200+ CD's (in their original jewel boxes, I might add)...they are more in awe than when they see a DJ with a laptop and two speakers on sticks...and then wonder "Why am I paying this guy $1500 for this gig...I could do it myself!".
 
I am set up to DJ with the computer...but I just don't like it.

Seems that all I do is stand around and click the mouse every once in a while.

With the CD's...I still have to work...remember which CD a song is on...find it...cue it up...then seamlessly play it without missing a beat!

Plus...when people see an 8-foot banquet table covered with 1200+ CD's (in their original jewel boxes, I might add)...they are more in awe than when they see a DJ with a laptop and two speakers on sticks...and then wonder "Why am I paying this guy $1500 for this gig...I could do it myself!".
What it's all about is knowing what to do with what you're working with. I used to use CDs and carried them in CD books. Now I no longer have to carry CD books with CDs in them. I have the music I play at events on a portable HD. Which saves me having to carry a bunch of heavy CD books. The HD fits in my laptop bag. I also have one for backup..

What counts is how well do at events. People don't care what you're using to do the job. They care about the results. I had to get used to using a computer to DJ with. Now for me I wouldn't do it any other way.
 
I am set up to DJ with the computer...but I just don't like it.

Seems that all I do is stand around and click the mouse every once in a while.

With the CD's...I still have to work...remember which CD a song is on...find it...cue it up...then seamlessly play it without missing a beat!

Plus...when people see an 8-foot banquet table covered with 1200+ CD's (in their original jewel boxes, I might add)...they are more in awe than when they see a DJ with a laptop and two speakers on sticks...and then wonder "Why am I paying this guy $1500 for this gig...I could do it myself!".

Use 2 laptops and switch back and forth it's just like using decks :)
 
Plus...when people see an 8-foot banquet table covered with 1200+ CD's (in their original jewel boxes, I might add)...they are more in awe than when they see a DJ with a laptop and two speakers on sticks...and then wonder "Why am I paying this guy $1500 for this gig...I could do it myself!".
I certainly don't recommend older DJs doing format make-overs late in life. Kudos to you if you can still find customers willing to make that worth your while as you do what you do the way you want to do it.

:) As a market reality however, I think you are seriously under estimating the value of a laptop and two speakers on sticks. PCs, tablets, and streaming media are not the hallmark of inexperience or thrift. They are indicative of modernity and technical proficiency.

Sure, in a casual setting the novelty of all those CDs is like going to an antique car show. It's quaint - but it's inappropriate at whole classes of modern events and facilities. It's out of step with the simplicity and responsiveness people truly want in most settings. It clashes with the decor and design elements of more significant social events, occupying an unnecesary footprint with an undesired visual. It only takes 5,000 tracks (~ 400 well picked CDs) to meet 90% of what most audiences will want to hear. That can all fit professioanlly within the space of a single 4RU rack case. If you have 1200 jewel boxes on an 8ft banquet table - it's gonna look like a yard sale not a DJ gig. All of these realities are going put a ceiling on our opportunity.

We can't market ourselves on sustained CD use and expect significant interest. Modern DJing is light years ahead of anything we can do with old school CD controllers. I was once all vinyl, then all CD, then all PC, then done. One of the things that has shrunk the mobile DJ business is DSP automated systems. Venues don't need DJs for background music, nor do they need your microphones. That was 80% of what made us a good choice for general business or social events that didn't rise to the level of weddings, bar/bat Mitzvahs, Galas, et. al.

DJs thrived in a world where a microphone, music, and someone to manage both was necessary. A world where bands struggled to keep pace with modern music styles. That's simply not true anymore. The world is Plug-N-Play now, and I'm referring to customer expectation, not the gear. Streaming reminds people that DJs are first and foremost gatekeepers. The DJ needs to bring entertainment to the forefront because, music is too easy to come by for most of the basic event market previously served by DJs. There's also a lot of good and popular bands out there and live music technology has also leaped forward. The only thing sustaing DJs is that $3,000 is still less than 1/3 the cost of a decent dance band.

Just my $0.02
 
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I certainly don't recommend older DJs doing format make-overs late in life. Kudos to you if you can still find customers willing to make that worth your while as you do what you do the way you want to do it.

:) As a market reality however, I think you are seriously under estimating the value of a laptop and two speakers on sticks. PCs, tablets, and streaming media are not the hallmark of inexperience or thrift. They are indicative of modernity and technical proficiency.

Sure, in a casual setting the novelty of all those CDs is like going to an antique car show. It's quaint - but it's inappropriate at whole classes of modern events and facilities. It's out of step with the simplicity and responsiveness people truly want in most settings. It clashes with the decor and design elements of more significant social events, occupying an unnecesary footprint with an undesired visual. It only takes 5,000 tracks (~ 400 well picked CDs) to meet 90% of what most audiences will want to hear. That can all fit professioanlly within the space of a single 4RU rack case. If you have 1200 jewel boxes on an 8ft banquet table - it's gonna look like a yard sale not a DJ gig. All of these realities are going put a ceiling on our opportunity.

We can't market ourselves on sustained CD use and expect significant interest. Modern DJing is light years ahead of anything we can do with old school CD controllers. I was once all vinyl, then all CD, then all PC, then done. One of the things that has shrunk the mobile DJ business is DSP automated systems. Venues don't need DJs for background music, nor do they need your microphones. That was 80% of what made us a good choice for general business or social events that didn't rise to the level of weddings, bar/bat Mitzvahs, Galas, et. al.

DJs thrived in a world where a microphone, music, and someone to manage both was necessary. A world where bands struggled to keep pace with modern music styles. That's simply not true anymore. The world is Plug-N-Play now, and I'm referring to customer expectation, not the gear. Streaming reminds people that DJs are first and foremost gatekeepers. The DJ needs to bring entertainment to the forefront because, music is too easy to come by for most of the basic event market previously served by DJs. There's also a lot of good and popular bands out there and live music technology has also leaped forward. The only thing sustaing DJs is that $3,000 is still less than 1/3 the cost of a decent dance band.

Just my $0.02
Band can’t quick mix 10 punk rock songs in 10 minute at the end of the night if that’s what couple desires. There’s things a band can do that a dj can’t (mostly stage presence and the lI’ve element) and there’s things a dj can do that a band can’t. I can guarantee many of the songs I played on the last half hour at last nights wedding could never be performed by a band (house music). Bands just cost more cause of the sheer number of people involved… but on the performer level… the dj as a performer likely makes more.
 
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