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MY AGENDA! :eek: Ohh please! What you are trying to do is use psychological warfare on me. You say things to get your buddies to agree with you. Just like you are so quick to click on the "Like" of posters who have opposing views against what I post. I see your game! Wherever the wind blows there is 'ol Jon going along for the ride. LOL :) Truth hurts doesn't it? Call it negative or whatever you want but it still remains the truth. You are the one perpetuating it with your apocryphal statements.

Anyone who uses the word apocryphal in a sentence is ok in my book. Well played sir...well played.
 
Anyone who uses the word apocryphal in a sentence is ok in my book. Well played sir...well played.
hey man whose side are you on lol.
 
So, are you describing ME or my facts?

I don't know you. You may be a very nice gentleman. I only know the posts you publish. I do believe many of your "facts" are incorrect. When you respond to someone's post, it seems that many times your interpretation of what the meaning is is incorrect. I get the feeling you don't read it all.
 
Anyone who uses the word apocryphal in a sentence is ok in my book. Well played sir...well played.

Shoot, I thought it was a spelling error -- had to look it up, and still not exactly sure of its true meaning... xf:D


I get the feeling you don't read it all.


Have you ever looked at Bob's website -- he can't have time to read, because he spends all his time typing millions of things! I get a headache whenever I go to Bob's site... o_O
 
.. as Webster and Wikipedia define it as "a person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee."

Here's how you're blinded by your own relativism:

If you properly understand Webster then you'd first know that a "specialized task" is something that requires a unique demonstrable competency. Secondly, the issue of completion presumes that all conditions have been satisfied to a reliable outcome. Since "paid" and "fee" have no stated or even relative value the reference to money only implies that the term is often related to commerce.

Thus, the definition is NOT the money.
 
wow ... the definition is the performance of the service FOR the money, so yea, I would believe it is part of the definition.
 
I don't know you. You may be a very nice gentleman. I only know the posts you publish. I do believe many of your "facts" are incorrect. When you respond to someone's post, it seems that many times your interpretation of what the meaning is is incorrect. I get the feeling you don't read it all.

The meaning of a post is not magic. The meaning is in the words. If a person doesn't think their meaning is understood then they simply didn't convey it, and they can easily correct that with a better statement.

Yet, that's not what really happens on sites like this. People tend to rationalize things, or promote a particular bias which is tightly wrapped around their ego or DJ identity. When their point meets with confrontation they run away from the meaning of what they just posted, or try to devalue the objecting party.

It would be nice if along with a lack of personal attacks we could also get an end to the "poor pitiful picked on me" victim statements. C'mon people.. just grow up already!
 
wow ... the definition is the performance of the service FOR the money, so yea, I would believe it is part of the definition.

Well, then you clearly agree with Cesar - and you should be able to tell me exactly what he first queried: HOW MUCH MONEY does it take to be a professional?

Apparently Cesar is a lot smarter than you're willing to admit? :)
 
Well, then you clearly agree with Cesar - and you should be able to tell me exactly what he first queried: HOW MUCH MONEY does it take to be a professional?

Apparently Cesar is a lot smarter than you're willing to admit? :)
I'm a pretty agreeable person, so I assume I will agree with you and Cesar at times. As to the question, with my statement, the first time you accept money for the task for which you were hired based on your expertise, you become one, so for some that might be $100, for others $5000. Cesar is looking for an amount one would consider DJing to be a livelihood, for which I have no answer.

And I never said Cesar wasn't smart .. maybe some other choice words came to mind.
 
I'm a pretty agreeable person, so I assume I will agree with you and Cesar at times. As to the question, with my statement, the first time you accept money for the task for which you were hired based on your expertise, you become {professional},

That is a definition so foolish... (sorry, there just isn't any way to make that not sound personal) that it appears your real goal is to be disagreeable as opposed to simply sensible.
 
That is a definition so foolish... (sorry, there just isn't any way to make that not sound personal) that it appears your real goal is to be disagreeable as opposed to simply sensible.
It hasn't deviated from what I said originally .. paid based on expertise and knowledge = professional ... once, twice or $50K per year's worth.
 
Wow sometimes it seems like people get themselves into this predicament.
 

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That is a definition so foolish... (sorry, there just isn't any way to make that not sound personal) that it appears your real goal is to be disagreeable as opposed to simply sensible.

Would you mind if I borrowed this statement? There are many posts that this would fit amazingly well. Ironically,(see "bait and switch" definition) most of those posts are coming from you:)
 
Would you mind if I borrowed this statement? There are many posts that this would fit amazingly well. Ironically,(see "bait and switch" definition) most of those posts are coming from you:)
I suppose it's too much to ask of a professional to come up with something original?
 
I think much of how you are characterizing this business is just as fictional in your own way. You're simply unwilling to accept what you've never personally experienced - and as a consequence won't even tolerate people who can at least acknowledge that it is possible.

I really don't care who is fake or who is real - what I care about is do their points make sense and can they be applied in the real world.

For example, I am one such DJ who does have a history of being able to book 2 (or more) events nearly every Saturday of the year. However, it once cost about $22k /yr in high profile magazine advertising alone to do that, and the logistics of it are beyond the capacity of anyone trying to do this part time. I am not alone. There are dozens of friends, associates, and competitors I know of in my own area who can, and do book like this. The internet of course, has changed a lot of things - but, that is only one vehicle. The core of knowing how to reach the right people with the right message and credentials has not and will never change. Much of that eludes the people who do this part time. They are simply not involved enough to know what really makes the event industry in their area tick.

I don't require that someone prove to me that they can do or have done this before I could accept their opinion on it. I already know it can be and is done all the time. I can accept their opinion and weight it based on their experience versus my own. There is also the matter of basic common sense - some people have it and others don't. For example - anyone who tells you that location doesn't matter with regard to what you can earn is a fool. I couldn't possibly book that heavily if I wasn't located near a major city. That should be common sense.

Couldn't of said it better.
 
A professional is someone who gets paid to provide goods or services. That doesn't tell how good or bad you are. It's just that simple. I don't have time to check. Did you post pictures for us to see of you taking pictures?
 
I will also leave this in the loop

are you REGISTERED with the photography Association and do you have certificates to prove you have completed courses to say you can
be a professional

remember to be in the photography area there is a lot more involved where you guys are
plus even where I am you MUST have a license to partake in an association of such....

here is the major one I have to be in, in Australia -- http://www.aipp.com.au

here is the one I use to be in, (as Retiring now does save me all the hassles for later)
http://www.proweddingphotography.org.au

oh here are a few to start you in -- and they cost money!!

http://www.psa-photo.org - (The Photographic Society of America)

http://www.pmai.org/spaa/ - (Sports Photographers Association of America)

so looks like if you are not in these and get drilled on it what happens when your taken to court ? (your problem not mine)

in oz we also have
www.pmai.org/uploadedFiles/PSPA_AUS_NZ_Code_of_Practice.pdf

now here you can get into being a pro via one of these
http://www.photostartsheet.com/photographic-associations.html

lists all the Major photo associations worldwide...

Have a nice day