10 Year Old Performance Laptops!

My main gig machine has been in service since '07 and running Vista. I reinstalled it in '08 when I dropped it and killed the HD and haven't touched it since I hate the thought of moving to anything else now lol

I'll second the business laptops .. my 2 gig laptops are Dell Latitudes.

maestro said:

I just ran 'cmd' to find out when XP was first installed into my performance laptops and it was April 2005 which means that both of my Gateway MX6956 laptops will be ten years old in a couple months; wow... Guess I should change them out... I did change out the 160GB hard drives for 500GB units last year so those are fresh. They consistantly perform flawlessly at gigs running Mixmeister Pro 5.

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I have a Vaio (business grade) laptop from 04 thats still kickin' ass. It's not my main machine anymore - but it is there in case I need it. It also runs XP, but since XP is not supported anymore, it never sees the web. My primary performer is a Macbook Pro I7 (non retina).

As for Win10, rumor has it that you will get a year free. After that, you will be 'renting' it - similar to Office 365. You won't have to pay but you won't get updates without paying. I'm thinking more people are going to bail / look for alternatives vs having to 'rent' their OS.

ittigger said:

As for Win10, rumor has it that you will get a year free. After that, you will be 'renting' it - similar to Office 365. You won't have to pay but you won't get updates without paying. I'm thinking more people are going to bail / look for alternatives vs having to 'rent' their OS.

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I have this feeling before it's even released there will be lots of "Alternatives" to renting something you already bought

MS chased quite a few people away with Win8 / 8.1. The 'free' Win10 is to lure them back in. If the rumors are correct, the catch is that it's 'free' for a year .. and then you will start paying. Anyone with MULP licensed versions of Office 2013 will see a form of it if you look deep enough. Office 2013 registers for a period of 180 days. During those 180 days, it randomly tries to get to the key server. If it cannot, the software 'shuts off' after 180 days.

I completely agree - and that's from a user base and not a 'financial worth' base. As for the rumor, if it's true, you need to know before you migrate, try or buy .. and not after. Anyone with Win7 already knows what it will look and act like.

Apple might currently have the value but they are way behind on operating systems especially the mobile ones they actually have the oldest technology of the popular ones right now.

Way behind on operating systems to include mobile ones? Uhmm .. Mavericks / IOS? Just because something is new doesn't mean it'll be good. That said, Mavericks is a new version of OSX. Same with IOS. Before you go into MS land - do you think any part of Windows (to include their mobile one) is new? Win7 was MS last attempt at new code (and still used alot of stuff from previous versions). 8 and 8.1 build off that. 10 builds off that.

Something interesting to note .. if you used an Apple IIe from back in the 80's, you can use a modern mac without too much difficulty. Can the same be said for MS and Windows?

No for sure but anything from 95 on you can....MS was way behind for a long time but I don't think they are all that far apart now

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Way behind on operating systems to include mobile ones? Uhmm .. Mavericks / IOS? Just because something is new doesn't mean it'll be good. That said, Mavericks is a new version of OSX. Same with IOS. Before you go into MS land - do you think any part of Windows (to include their mobile one) is new? Win7 was MS last attempt at new code (and still used alot of stuff from previous versions). 8 and 8.1 build off that. 10 builds off that.

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And they all build off 2K if I recall correctly....

I stand corrected 8.1 is actually 5 days older than Maverick but I don't think there has been a mobile OS update recently. Android is doing updates quite often in comparison....And just for reference I'm not an apple hater I'm a bit of a fan I have an Iphone and Ipad I just prefer PC for desktops/laptops

I have a boat anchor Dell Demension tower (E220? maybe) that a client gave me. He didn't know what to do with it or want it anymore. I'm thinking it's circa 2002-2004. It'd been in storage so long there were acorns inside the tower. I cleaned it out and booted right up into Windows XP. I wiped it, maxed out the RAM (2 GB) and installed Xubuntu for my sister still runs like a champ despite the P-III or P-IV class processor. My sis doesn't use it anymore. I'm thinking of throwing the largest hard drive I can get my mitts on and using it as a backup server or media server.

Say what you will about Dell but all the older models I've come across are really well built. It seems post ~2008ish build quality went downhill with Dells.

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Speaking on the "freebie" Windows 10 thing. I have little doubt that by 10+1 or +2 Windows is going to be a subscription like they've done with Office. Most people won't part with ~$150 bucks for an OS license but $10-15/mo is a lot more manageable for them. MS will make more in the long run off the subscription. Windows, Office, and One Drive will be an all inclusive package down the line. I see it turning a lot of people off (including maybe me) but I like the business thinking behind it.

I'm excited to see Windows 10 on phones. Apple's been making OS X more iOS-like for quite a while and there's pretty good integration between both with messaging and taking calls via your Mac. If Microsoft can pull that off you'll have more people looking specifically for Windows powered devices which can mean a resurgence for MS.

If MS plays their cards right this leaves Google in position to be #3 in the smart phone OS market. As much as I love Android it's fragmented and the third party solutions to get texts on your computer can be a headache at times.

Jeff Romard said:

No for sure but anything from 95 on you can....MS was way behind for a long time but I don't think they are all that far apart now

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No .. a user that went from DOS (80's) to 95 had to relearn things. They did it once again with 8 / 8.1. They do it quite often with the Office product - they're constantly moving things and forcing users to relearn how to use their product.

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I stand corrected 8.1 is actually 5 days older than Maverick but I don't think there has been a mobile OS update recently. Android is doing updates quite often in comparison.

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So they both haven't "updated" in the same amount of time then. I don't track IOS as much but I have the newest version of it. My point was to show that Apple is updating - it was brought up that it wasn't. It's just as 'new and fresh' as anyone else - yet one of the biggest bonus (imo) is that the Apple IIe user can use the new one just as easy. Can you honestly say a DOS / Win95 user could hop right onto a Win8.1 machine and be productive? Businesses are about making money aren't they? How productive are employees when they have to keep relearning the software?

Jeff Romard said:

And just for reference I'm not an apple hater I'm a bit of a fan I have an Iphone and Ipad I just prefer PC for desktops/laptops

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I get that.

A 10 year old laptop is a failure waiting to happen. Heat build up inside has been moving some of the components close to their end. 4-5 years and I will replace .. even a perfectly running one. Then I donate those to family members.


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I agree. But I'm prepared if it dies. It's a backup after all.

ittigger said:

No .. a user that went from DOS (80's) to 95 had to relearn things. They did it once again with 8 / 8.1. They do it quite often with the Office product - they're constantly moving things and forcing users to relearn how to use their product.



So they both haven't "updated" in the same amount of time then. I don't track IOS as much but I have the newest version of it. My point was to show that Apple is updating - it was brought up that it wasn't. It's just as 'new and fresh' as anyone else - yet one of the biggest bonus (imo) is that the Apple IIe user can use the new one just as easy. Can you honestly say a DOS / Win95 user could hop right onto a Win8.1 machine and be productive? Businesses are about making money aren't they? How productive are employees when they have to keep relearning the software?



I get that.

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Oh for sure from DOS to 95 it was a whole new world and maybe I'm looking at it as being a non average user but I don't see there being a steep learning curve between 95 and 8.1. It was pretty gradual over time with 8.1 being more like a tablet. If you are a tablet user you should be able to pick up on 8.1 pretty quick. As far as office I haven't used the MS version to any extent in many years

They had pretty much the same release date but general updates are done far more often on android devices than Apple devices. Maybe it's out of necessity I don't know but I do know I've done updates on my wife's tablet at least 3 times since Christmas I don't believe I've updated the I devices at all


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