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ittigger

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#21
Do you ever stop and think before you post? It doesn't seem that way.
So, you blow smoke about Peavey quality and then admit that the 12" Dark Matter is priced less than half of what the most commonly used baseline QSC product is? The Peavey DM12 is priced less than a raw JBL woofer!

JBL doesn't make crap. If they did I'd have no incentive to change the fashion of the box. JBL"s worst product is still better than Peavey - but ALL entry level products attract inexperienced users who fail to use the products within their design limits. Sorry your ego is bruised but, Peavey heading up your inventory does in fact speak to your level of experience and expectation at the time you bought them.
Actually, I believe it is you that doesn't stop and think before you post - as it doesn't seem that way.

I didn't blow smoke about Peavey quality - nice attempt at a switcheroo. If you could actually read and comprehend, I said the Dark Matter was not their upper limit nor close to it - and then I provided examples of what the DM lineup compares to. The K12 doesn't compare to any of the list I provided, so I guess by your definition, that means they're all crap - oh but wait, the JBL Eon's were in that list. Being that you seem to not be able to comprehend, find and compare things, I'll help you out - in QSC world, a more proper comparison would be the CP8. Wait, they must be crap too as they are priced half of what the most commonly used baseline QSC product is. Hmmmmm.

Again, I'll give you credit for attempting to play switcheroo .. but it didn't work - and of course the DM costs less than QSC's most common speaker (the K12) is - it's also rated less .. because it's not the same class of product. Are you really that stupid?

Yes, JBL does make crap. They all do. JBL's worst product is not any better (or worse) than Peavey's worst product. Your personal desire to change the fashion of the box means nothing about their level of crappiness.

My ego isn't bruised - maybe yours is? My use of Peavey speaks nothing about my experience and expectation. Your level of maturity, however, does speak about your experiences, communication skills and expectations.
 
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ittigger

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#22
It's a not a secret which segment of the market Peavey serves and as one of the largest manufacturers it's user base is quite large. However, that user base has it's limitations and probably keeps Peavey servcie centers running well in the black.

The only time I hear Peavey brought up in a discussion is when someone is looking to repair or replace their blown drivers, etc. I don't know whether to fault the users, the Peavey product, or partilcuar intersections of both. What remains in memory is that the words Peavey and blown more often occur in the same sentence.

Even if we place fault entirely on the users - the narrative remains and Peavey inevitably inherits the fall out. This is why, even if Peavey is a great product it will more often be barred from technical riders. Reputation is built on how people talk about your product so, a good product in bad hands can easily end up getting capped in the market place by the narrative of it's weakest users. This is also a concept you can apply to running a DJ business.
Likewise, the only time I hear of JBL is when someone is looking to repair or replace their blown drivers or have to fix cabinets. I know quite a few running Peavey's and I've never heard of any issues with them. Oh wait - is this like that one time you were trying to help someone and you compared it to an experienced support staff position? Well now it makes sense why you'd think Peavey was bad - I mean one bad speaker .. the company is ruined.

Considering Peavey is one of 'the largest' MFR's (by your own words), I think this speaks volumes alone. If you've made it to number one, it ain't because you're making crap.

Rider's are not built alone on how good or bad something is. Some rider's require a certain food, drink or candy is in one's room prior to an event. Rider's are someone's personal choice (opinion) of something - and do not reflect the quality of something - especially if a vendor or whoever is giving a deal, sponsorship or incentive. Example, I like Lamborghini's. This does not mean they are the best cars. Another example, you like JBL's. This does not mean they are the best.

Because most of your knowledge seems to be centered around your personal use of things - I'm going to guess that you were the user that blew a set of Peavey drivers (which is hard to do by the way - as most speakers are protected) - and because of this bad experience, you don't like them anymore, even though they are (by your own words) one of the largest MFR's.
 
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Proformance

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Considering Peavey is one of 'the largest' MFR's (by your own words), I think this speaks volumes alone. If you've made it to number one, it ain't because you're making crap.
..and Walmart is one of the largest retailers but, no one goes there looking for high performance products. Save your compulsion for another fight. Peavey is not the altar you want to die on

Rider's represent the level of confidence in a given product and not only does Peavey not make the list - it gets a special mention as unacceptable.

I have never owned anything made by Peavey, and I really don't have any complaint with the products. Peavey products do exactly what their supposed to do. It's obviously people like you who pretend they can do so much more that cause the products to fail. I know people who love their Peavey gear but they use it within it's limits and don't talk bullsh** about it's capability. I've used Peavey products provided by others and they left me satisfied but unimpressed. They just are what they are.
 
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steve149

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I'm also not aware of too many Peavey products that are considered "pro" level (other than the SP2 series of many years ago). Crest has been Peavey's Pro audio focused line for almost 20 years.
 

oldschool

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Running sound is all about audio performance, not visual appeal. If you are producing quality sound, I have never had anyone complain about what my speakers look like. Granted heavily worn speakers with the carpet pealing off is not ideal. Why rebuild the cabs, just refresh the existing ones by recovering them or sand them down and dura coat them. Replacing the carpet (it's actually felt, not carpet) is very easy.
Like most things there are pro's and con's to both carpet or dura coat finishes.
 

Proformance

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Running sound is all about audio performance, not visual appeal. If you are producing quality sound, I have never had anyone complain about what my speakers look like. Granted heavily worn speakers with the carpet pealing off is not ideal. Why rebuild the cabs, just refresh the existing ones by recovering them or sand them down and dura coat them. Replacing the carpet (it's actually felt, not carpet) is very easy.
Like most things there are pro's and con's to both carpet or dura coat finishes.
You're right - and I already have the sound performance from them I need. The existing cabinets are in excellent condition as well. They're just unacceptable for the kind of events I do now. I want cabinets that can also be used as monitors, and a lot of events I do are heavily themed and decorated to the very last detail. An old-school speaker cab doesn't belong in that setting. I have what I need on the inside. I think if I give these speakers a new look and shape, they'll give me a whole new set of options.
 

ittigger

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..and Walmart is one of the largest retailers but, no one goes there looking for high performance products. Save your compulsion for another fight. Peavey is not the altar you want to die on

Rider's represent the level of confidence in a given product and not only does Peavey not make the list - it gets a special mention as unacceptable.

I have never owned anything made by Peavey, and I really don't have any complaint with the products. Peavey products do exactly what their supposed to do. It's obviously people like you who pretend they can do so much more that cause the products to fail. I know people who love their Peavey gear but they use it within it's limits and don't talk bullsh** about it's capability. I've used Peavey products provided by others and they left me satisfied but unimpressed. They just are what they are.
Walmart? You must really need some help because you are really reaching. Walmart is not a MFR.

Rider's do NOT represent the level of confidence in a given product. M&M's provide no more confidence than gummy bears. A rider is someone's specific opinion and desire of something. It could be just because it's what all the cool kids are doing. You're showing an increased level of stupidity this weekend.

Your lack of ownership of Peavey means nothing. If these products fail so often, then why are they one of the largest MFR's? People do not generally continue to buy stuff that keeps breaking. If any of this was accurate, Peavey would NOT be one of the largest MFR's. It's obvious the Common Sense truck skipped your house.

I guess you missed the part about the Peavey products that I have I used have never failed. Where in any of my posts have I talked about abusing any speaker or it's capabilities? You must be trying out for one of them fake news reporter jobs - let me save you some time - don't. I also said that I know others who have also used Peavey without issue. Please learn to read and comprehend.

Likewise, I've used JBL's and also been unimpressed. Your point? JBL is not the altar you want to die on.
 
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Proformance

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A rider is someone's specific opinion...
I agree. The prevailing opinion for the last 30 years of my experience is that performers won't allow Peavey on the stage with them, including the SP series.

WTF is your problem? My speaker rebuild affects you how? My disinterest in Peavey changes your life in what way?
 

ittigger

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That's your opinion. There are professionals that DO use Peavey, exclusively. Most professionals agree that Peavey is no less a quality piece than anything else. Remove the label and no one would know the difference. The problem with Peavey is that they mainly market to the musician, it is NOT that Peavey makes bad stuff. Again, you can't be number one if you make crap.

My problem is you tossing shade at things like it's factual information - and it's not. You like JBL and that's fine - that doesn't make anything else inferior. You compared a speaker from one of Peavey's lower lines (which you then labeled as 'upper limit') to a mid tier speaker .. as if it was a fair comparison. You then labeled people that use Peavey as inexperienced and with no expectations followed by levels of confidence in equipment. You then claimed Riders were for confidence - and they're not. These items display your lack of knowledge. Not one person I know of (and I know lots) has ever had a confidence issue with Peavey gear (as you've seen in here alone, most Peavey gear STILL works) - and if these problems did indeed exist, Peavey would NOT be one of the largest MFR's. This is a fact. You're entitled to your opinion, but that's about it.
 

steve149

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The SP series still exists .. as do various other lines and levels.
But it was the older SP series (or at least timewise) that were considered working boxes .. I don't see many stepping up to the plate for the newer versions. Just my observations, but the Peavey booths don't get much traffic at the shows.
 

ittigger

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But it was the older SP series (or at least timewise) that were considered working boxes .. I don't see many stepping up to the plate for the newer versions. Just my observations, but the Peavey booths don't get much traffic at the shows.
Maybe so - but this could be because Peavey actively markets to musicians. Regardless, they have several different lines that cater to entry, mid and pro level gear.
 

steve149

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Maybe so - but this could be because Peavey actively markets to musicians. Regardless, they have several different lines that cater to entry, mid and pro level gear.
I'll still agree with Pro on it .. I have never seen Peavey used commercially in other than small band setups.
 

ittigger

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Again, because they market towards the musician, this makes sense. It doesn't make it any less viable or less professional. They are obviously selling (if they're one of the top MFR's) and they are being used everywhere from small setups to large setups. People are not buying them and putting them in storage.
 

steve149

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I think that may be the disconnect. While Peavey is certainly used BY professionals .. it is rarely considered "pro level" gear by those that provide gear or sound services to others. Rental houses, event companies, event centers .. I have not seen Peavey used there (I'm sure there are some somewhere). They do make some costlier gear (QW boxes and VersaArray), but JBL is still the main non-touring vendor in the event spaces I have been in.
 

ittigger

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In my travels, I have certainly seen Peavey sets (and others - the biggest ones I see are EAW) used by those that provide gear or sound services to others - to include rental houses. I'm not saying Peavey is the be all end all - but they're not inexpensive or weak as some state. They have cheap lines like everyone else - and they also have good stuff, like most others. They're not any better or worse than anyone else. Peavey's issue in the Pro Audio world is that they market to musicians.
 

wifedj

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...Peavey is not the altar you want to die on...
I concur even though I am not averse to deploying Peavey gear in warranted circumstances. (Details provided upon inquiry)

ittiger said:
Peavey's issue in the Pro Audio world is that they market to musicians.
They also design and primarily fit to performances of live musicians.

I own and have owned many sufficient Peavey products. They were adequate...adequate meaning none of them seemed capable of meeting or ever met the higher quality sound and standard of expectation I have obtained from JBL/EV/Crown and even some QSC pro gear.
 

Proformance

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I think that may be the disconnect. While Peavey is certainly used BY professionals .. it is rarely considered "pro level" gear by those that provide gear or sound services to others.
The disconnect is that he doesn't actually know WHY Peavey is such a large manufacturer. It's their commercial audio lines (installations) that drive their business, not musicians and stage cabinets.
 
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