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Handinon

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I think you dropped a letter - ELX 200 12SP.

At 42 pounds, my kind of sub. I think they look great paired with the 12" tops, which should also help with the 100 to 200 Hz "warm-full" sounding frequencies.
The stickers on the poles would last about two seconds for me!
 
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Chuck The DJ

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Looks like you need a touch of Vitamin D sunshine there son...:moncool:
Let me see the underside of your arms! LOL ;)

you know how much golf I play????? LOL
 

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steve149

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I'm with Chuck .. for years I had a pair of 12s (JBL PRX) over 12" subs (Yamaha) and they were perfect for less than 150 people. I also don't wish to bring 1 sub .. I don't like the look of tripods and will pole mount directly over whenever I can.
 

steve149

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Agreed....another (small) way to stand our from the crowd. Being a tad OCD, the symmetry really looks good.
I'm not OCD, but it looks better just the same IMO .. :)
 

Handinon

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I’ve tried a couple times to use smaller subs every time I go back to a quality 18 I’m old and they are heavy, but they sound so much better
There is no substitute for cubic inches for low frequency reproduction in a direct radiator loudspeaker. Given identical motor structures (magnet, voice coil), the larger driver "sounds better" because it has to move less distance for the same output, and therefore has less distortion.
 
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steve149

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There is no substitute for cubic inches for low frequency reproduction in a direct radiator loudspeaker. Given identical motor structures (magnet, voice coil), the larger driver "sounds better" because it has to move less distance for the same output, and therefore has less distortion.
Larger only sounds "better" if the smaller one is inferior. There are many smaller subs made by good companies (RCF, FBT, etc.) that sound better than some larger subs by mediocre companies.

Cubic inches is an "old school" way of measuring things (and not always a good way).

And distortion isn't a measure based on distance moved .. it's measured by distance moved in the wrong direction. A smaller driver breaks up less and can in fact have less distortion than a larger driver. It's all relative and everything is a compromise.
 
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Handinon

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Larger only sounds "better" if the smaller one is inferior. There are many smaller subs made by good companies (RCF, FBT, etc.) that sound better than some larger subs by mediocre companies.
"Given identical motor structures (magnet, voice coil)"

And distortion isn't a measure based on distance moved .. it's measured by distance moved in the wrong direction.
Intermodulation Distortation (IM) is a form of Doppler Distortion, and is absolutely related to launching multiple frequencies from a moving surface. The further the launching surface has to move in the same amount of time, the worse it gets.

A smaller driver breaks up less and can in fact have less distortion than a larger driver.
Given any reasonable values for cone dampening, cone "breakup" is not a problem for frequencies below 100HZ.

...but Steve is correct, there are obviously many other factors that contribute to the "sound" of a speaker. However, the above comments are why true Horn Loudspeakers, while bringing their own set of problems, have magnitudes less distortion than direct radiators.
 
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