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If you are fearful, stay in your house. You have that freedom.

What you do not have is the freedom to advocate and demand and judge that everyone do as you do.
 
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Again, if someone was in bad shape, they WOULD HAVE been tested since they would have been admitted. If they weren't THAT bad, then they're like several million each year in battling the flu ... just saying ..
I would think 'bad shape' happens before you can't breathe. Regardless, no tests. If you're going to lump all the people not tested - because they weren't available, weren't 'THAT' bad or what have you - then you're missing alot of people. IMO, if you can't breath, it's way past 'bad shape'.
 
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I would think 'bad shape' happens before you can't breathe. Regardless, no tests.
I would think that in the past 4 months at least, that the number that hit that level of dire predicament AND WEREN'T TESTED, would be minimal ...
 
I would think that in the past 4 months at least, that the number that hit that level of dire predicament AND WEREN'T TESTED, would be minimal ...
.. and you could be very wrong. This stay at home crap pretty much started in March (viral infection mid-late Feb) .. and no tests were available. It is now May (2 months later) and they're just now getting to a fair amount in a given day.
 
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I won't call them anything - because no one knows. You're assigning some fictitious number to an unknown amount. Where there's 1, there's plenty more.
 
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OK .. we'll call the number of those that don't fall in the serious/critical level 99.994% ...


Simple math off of CONFIRMED CASES in USA

1,686,436
Deaths:
99,300
Recovered:
451,702


If we ASSUME that all of the reported deaths are truly due to COVID19, then the current rate of death is about 5.8%.

The recovery numbers are coming in slower than normal. I am sure we likely have over 800,000 recovered. No way we have 900K people currently sick and battling COVID19.


So either we have a 1 in 20 or so death rate, a 1 in 50 death rate, a 1 in 100 death rate, or far less than 1 in 100 depending on how many people have already been infected, and never got tested out there.

Here in Maryland, the reported number by the state health dept. are:

46,313 confirmed cases
2,162 confirmed deaths
1,290 currently hospitalized
3,319 released from isolation

Mortality rate on confirmed cases is 4.8%

If I look at age 30 - 39 age range (my age) - There are 28 deaths in MD, and 8.587 cases of people in their 30s. For my age range the death rate on confirmed cases is about 1/3 of a percent. Age 50 to 59 it appears that the death rate is about 1.9%. 148 out of 7,667. Age 70 to 79 here in Maryland is 534 out of 3,596. That is 14.8%. Age 80+ is 984 deaths out of 3,354. That is a 29.4% death rate. For age 80+ That seems pretty bad compared to the official death rate for older folks. Mostly nursing home outbreaks contributed to the rise in deaths here.

So the overall death rate I guess is left up to what you believe in regarding all of this.
 
I won't call them anything - because no one knows. You're assigning some fictitious number to an unknown amount. Where there's 1, there's plenty more.
The numbers came from the CDC .. if you have better ones, you may want to contact them ..
 
Simple math off of CONFIRMED CASES in USA

1,686,436
Deaths:
99,300
Recovered:
451,702


If we ASSUME that all of the reported deaths are truly due to COVID19, then the current rate of death is about 5.8%.

The recovery numbers are coming in slower than normal. I am sure we likely have over 800,000 recovered. No way we have 900K people currently sick and battling COVID19.


So either we have a 1 in 20 or so death rate, a 1 in 50 death rate, a 1 in 100 death rate, or far less than 1 in 100 depending on how many people have already been infected, and never got tested out there.

Here in Maryland, the reported number by the state health dept. are:

46,313 confirmed cases
2,162 confirmed deaths
1,290 currently hospitalized
3,319 released from isolation

Mortality rate on confirmed cases is 4.8%

If I look at age 30 - 39 age range (my age) - There are 28 deaths in MD, and 8.587 cases of people in their 30s. For my age range the death rate on confirmed cases is about 1/3 of a percent. Age 50 to 59 it appears that the death rate is about 1.9%. 148 out of 7,667. Age 70 to 79 here in Maryland is 534 out of 3,596. That is 14.8%. Age 80+ is 984 deaths out of 3,354. That is a 29.4% death rate. For age 80+ That seems pretty bad compared to the official death rate for older folks. Mostly nursing home outbreaks contributed to the rise in deaths here.

So the overall death rate I guess is left up to what you believe in regarding all of this.
No .. your death rate is only valid for people who had it and had been tested positive for CV19.
 
CDC is obviously not counting who wasn't tested - why would they. Without a test, it's 'unknown'. Lots of people were denied the ability to be tested.
All I'm saying is the percentages don't change all that much unless there were some 50,000 deaths missed. Maybe there was "some", but if someone died in the past 4 months, it's likely most are included. There may be a few who died in Dec-Jan that didn't get counted. I'll go with YOUR numbers if you have better ones ...

And I'm NOT counting who's been tested .. or how many have had it .. my numbers are how many are "really bad" now, vs the general population. You can have your own statistics. :)
 
And all I'm saying is that the numbers you read for who have it or had it - are wrong. There's no test that says you have it 'really bad' or 'not so bad'. You have it .. or you don't. Regardless, you can't have a valid number if you are only counting tests. There were lots of people not tested simply because none were available and/or without a Dr's approval. When a Dr says 'call us when you stop breathing' and/or 'a test won't matter because the results are the same' - that tells me ALOT of people were not counted.

Deaths are counted one way or another - your dead - that is recorded.
 
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And all I'm saying is that the numbers you read for who have it or had it - are wrong. There's no test that says you have it 'really bad' or 'not so bad'. You have it .. or you don't. Regardless, you can't have a valid number if you are only counting tests. There were lots of people not tested simply because none were available and/or without a Dr's approval. When a Dr says 'call us when you stop breathing' and/or 'a test won't matter because the results are the same' - that tells me ALOT of people were not counted.

Deaths are counted one way or another - your dead - that is recorded.
The number of people who HAVE it isn't material (could be 1M or 100M) .. it's the number of people that are seriously waylaid by it that will determine how we move forward. Those are the ones that are in serious/critical condition on an ongoing basis and the ones that may die in the future. All I was offering, until being derailed, was that THAT probability is pretty dang small ...
 
That would be a negative ghost rider.. I know people that had all the symptoms (and it was bad) - and were never tested. The response: 'Stay home and isolated. If you can't breathe, then we'll come and get you'.

This past season was especially active with Flu strains A & B - dozens of people I know and everyone in my household went through it January - April. It was harsh, contagious, and it lingered. We would have been ripe during that time for additional infection. If any of us also contracted Corona-virus during that time (and news reports indicate coincident cases) the symptoms were not severe enough for us distinguish it from the other flu symptoms, and medical facilities were not testing for it.
 
And all I'm saying is that the numbers you read for who have it or had it - are wrong. There's no test that says you have it 'really bad' or 'not so bad'. You have it .. or you don't. Regardless, you can't have a valid number if you are only counting tests. There were lots of people not tested simply because none were available and/or without a Dr's approval. When a Dr says 'call us when you stop breathing' and/or 'a test won't matter because the results are the same' - that tells me ALOT of people were not counted.

Deaths are counted one way or another - your dead - that is recorded.

So, what's your point? Are you just demanding that your supposition be deemed more "right" than others?

Have you been tested? I have not - but, let me be clear about this: I have not been denied a test, nor is one unavailable to me.

I am refusing to be tested. I am refusing to be vaccinated if and when one is available. My business has already been decimated by a government order, I will not be further alienated from society by being marked with the Covid arm-band in the nation of "New Normal."
 
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The number of people who HAVE it isn't material (could be 1M or 100M) .. it's the number of people that are seriously waylaid by it that will determine how we move forward. Those are the ones that are in serious/critical condition on an ongoing basis and the ones that may die in the future. All I was offering, until being derailed, was that THAT probability is pretty dang small ...

There were tens of thousands denied tests in the first month or so...Some were hypochondriacs some were actually sick

I am refusing to be tested. I am refusing to be vaccinated if and when one is available. My business has already been decimated by a government order, I will not be further alienated from society by being marked with the Covid arm-band in the nation of "New Normal."

It's really hard to believe intelligent people wouldn't take a vaccination...Did you take the same approach with diphtheria smallpox and Polio?
 
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I am willing to be tested and will gladly accept a vaccine when it’s ready.

I have no allusions that the government is concerned about tracking me Or deems me important enough to even care.
 
This past season was especially active with Flu strains A & B - dozens of people I know and everyone in my household went through it January - April. It was harsh, contagious, and it lingered. We would have been ripe during that time for additional infection. If any of us also contracted Corona-virus during that time (and news reports indicate coincident cases) the symptoms were not severe enough for us distinguish it from the other flu symptoms, and medical facilities were not testing for it.
True - though this was 10x worse than any flu imaginable - and had all the symptoms of CV. While several of these people could have been tested, no tests were available - and according to the medical staff, it wouldn't have made a difference in the result.
 
So, what's your point? Are you just demanding that your supposition be deemed more "right" than others?

Have you been tested? I have not - but, let me be clear about this: I have not been denied a test, nor is one unavailable to me.

I am refusing to be tested. I am refusing to be vaccinated if and when one is available. My business has already been decimated by a government order, I will not be further alienated from society by being marked with the Covid arm-band in the nation of "New Normal."
Your point? These people were in need of a test and couldn't get one. Big difference. These people are also not counted anywhere.

Likewise, I'm also refusing to be vaccinated (at this time). They can't get the Flu vaccine right, what makes you think this one will be?
 
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Your point?

Deflection by question is the childish equivalent of: "I know you are but what am I?"
I made my point, TFB if your not mature enough to handle it.

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Jeff,
The problem with your position for me is that you are too reflexive, the result being you advocate for action that only makes the problem more dangerous. This is in stark contrast for example, to the question of accepting a vaccine that gets rushed to market in a matter of just weeks or months. Polo, Mumps, Rubella... these are vaccines with track records up to a half-century in the making. History is a teacher, a lack of history is called: chance.

The Spanish flu came in three waves - each one about 6 months apart. In the first wave many people recovered and in the second wave nearly everyone who got sick died, and in the third wave the severity of the impact greatly declined.

There are two serious flaws in the response to Covid-19:

First, is the certainty that "this is the big one." The near absolute assertion that Covid-19 is the doomsday plague scientists have been speculating about for over a century. The comparison between 1918 and 2020 also ignores the obvious reality of 100 years of human development and dichotomy of living standards in various areas of the globe.

Second, and most disturbing, is the assumption that a lock-down will prevent a second wave.
There is simply no evidence for this. The Spanish flu continued to propagate and kil people for nearly 2 years! We know it today as the strain: H1N1 and it is still a recurring threat.

The lock down isn't going to stop nature. There will be a second wave and perhaps due to our action - something more like a rising flood. The lack of air-travel does defer rapid spread of the virus but, it does nothing to end it.

instantly destroying the world economy has rendered hundreds-of-millions of people worldwide more vulnerable and with less access to resources of all kinds. We have set ourselves upon a path of over-all declining public health and welfare which strips individuals of their power to self-protect right when they will need it most. The concern about over-whelming hospitals is made worse by depriving the population of it's own self-care and arbitrarily defining hospitals as a singular solution to a heath problem.

This is also, NOT 1918. The world's population is not only larger - it's also healthier, wealthier, more empowered and enterprising. (..or at least is was 15 weeks ago!) Stripping the population of it's power in favor of healthcare systems that were already inadequate to the daily needs of their communities is just a slower, longer period of death. The Spanish flu propagated amidst the destruction and depravity of World War I.

We already know that poverty is our biggest health threat - and yet, government saw fit to bring it down upon us. If you TRULY ask yourself why - you won't like the answer because it's rooted in power and access. Politically, government has simply positioned hospitals as the barrier between the enabled classes and the rest of us.
 
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