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“Cheap” is such a relative term. If you’re using it to describe quality, then it’s somewhat subjective. I’ve made several relatively inexpensive purchases of gear that turned out to be some of my favorites. I do as much research as I can, read all the reviews, get hands-on whenever possible, and shop for deals. It’s what I’ve always done. People can pay premium prices and buy premium brands, but those may not be the best business decisions. Buying top-of-the line is great if your business can earn more as a result, but that is so rarely the case.

As an example, my first controller was an American Audio VMS 4.1. Now I’m using a Denon MC6000 MK2, which cost more than twice as much. The VMS 4.1 did pretty much the same stuff and was a much better built controller. It still looks and works like new. I don’t make one cent more now than when I used the VMS 4.1. So, frankly the switch to the Denon was not such a smart business decision. I love my Denon, but I bought it out of gear lust, not business sense. Having gear lust is fine just as long as you recognize that’s what’s motivating you.[emoji1]

I agree. I'm talking about those decisions we make to go cheap and hope it works , like a no name $800 generator with greater "specs", over a proven generator with lower specs that costs 3 times as much. We all get faced with these. I'd love to tell you I always make the right decision😄.

I too have "upgraded" equipment only to discover the one I had was just fine.

I've also made the mistake of paying more for something only to find that I'm paying for features I don't really use.

Today, I'm more cautious. I'd much rather pay for build quality then features that might be valuable to some but not me

It's also why I tend to pick up used units of things I use and know the build quality and features
 
I agree. I'm talking about those decisions we make to go cheap and hope it works , like a no name $800 generator with greater "specs", over a proven generator with lower specs that costs 3 times as much. We all get faced with these. I'd love to tell you I always make the right decision[emoji1].

I too have "upgraded" equipment only to discover the one I had was just fine.

I've also made the mistake of paying more for something only to find that I'm paying for features I don't really use.

Today, I'm more cautious. I'd much rather pay for build quality then features that might be valuable to some but not me

It's also why I tend to pick up used units of things I use and know the build quality and features

Couldn’t agree more.[emoji4]


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Secondly, I’m a Traktor guy, so no big deal that my VMS 4.1 is not supported by Serato.[emoji4]
Right there is the problem. It is a known fact that those who use Traktor will be enslaved to a life of constantly, ongoing, never ending, ceaseless, forever modifications of both their large AND small setups! Come to the Dark Side where all is perfect!
 
Unfortunately, sometimes we tend to hang on to these rare “victories” as a justification for going the cheaper route even though we know deep down the safer route is paying for a name brand. Gamblers tend to remember the few times they win and forget the times they lose😄
You 100% correct Scott, if I am going to go the cheaper route, I do my research as much as I can to see if it will be a true savings, or will I end up crying once and buying twice, It all depends on the products in which you are seeking, but yes, in all most all cases, the "brand name" products are always going to be better.
 
“Cheap” is such a relative term. If you’re using it to describe quality, then it’s somewhat subjective. I’ve made several relatively inexpensive purchases of gear that turned out to be some of my favorites. I do as much research as I can, read all the reviews, get hands-on whenever possible, and shop for deals. It’s what I’ve always done. People can pay premium prices and buy premium brands, but those may not be the best business decisions. Buying top-of-the line is great if your business can earn more as a result, but that is so rarely the case.

As an example, my first controller was an American Audio VMS 4.1. Now I’m using a Denon MC6000 MK2, which cost more than twice as much. The VMS 4.1 did pretty much the same stuff and was a much better built controller. It still looks and works like new. I don’t make one cent more now than when I used the VMS 4.1. So, frankly the switch to the Denon was not such a smart business decision. I love my Denon, but I bought it out of gear lust, not business sense. Having gear lust is fine just as long as you recognize that’s what’s motivating you.[emoji1]

I think you're either missing the real point or rationalizing. When you say "brand name" it's important to know that "branding" and quality are not the same thing. "Pet Rocks" are an example of branding and no sane person would suggest one rock makes any better pet than another, or that the temperament and domestication of your pet varies with the price.

The other error here is with "reviews" and the mistaken belief that the kind of generics we see at the consumer leval also extends well into the professional realm, and it doesn't. Reviews in this circumstance really provide an underhanded form of confirmation bias. When you read reviews of inferior products you are often receiving the testimony of users with expectations and applications unlikely to challenge the product in any meaningful way. The vast majority of users may not even know how to correctly evaluate the results they get. Consider for example, the teenager who tricks out his vehicle with his first car stereo. :)

I'm personally not at all concerned with brand names and the brands that I use are not highly recognized outside of professional circles. None of my clients would have any particular reaction to names like Barco, Extron, or even less specialized manufacturers like QSC and Shure. If there were in fact generic equivalents to these products I can assure you I'd have found them - but, there simply isn't. Each of these companies has competitors - so, there are substitutes but, no discount equivalents for these professional product lines.
 
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As an example, my first controller was an American Audio VMS 4.1. Now I’m using a Denon MC6000 MK2, which cost more than twice as much. The VMS 4.1 did pretty much the same stuff and was a much better built controller. It still looks and works like new. I don’t make one cent more now than when I used the VMS 4.1.

This not an example of anything relevant to buying better equipment. Do you care what kind of Fire Truck shows up at your burning house? I bet the Firemen care a great deal - and it doesn't affect their salary either.
 
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I think you're either missing the real point or rationalizing...

Nope... Wrong again![emoji1] I didn’t MISS the point; I was MAKING a point and YOU missed it. I considered posting a simplified translation for you, but we both know it would make no difference. You’d still miss whatever point I posted because that’s what you do in order to try to provoke your target. You and I both know you have zero interest in the points I (or any other member of this forum) make, yet somehow think WE should be interested in yours.[emoji1]
 
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This not an example of anything relevant to buying better equipment. Do you care what kind of Fire Truck shows up at your burning house? I bet the Firemen care a great deal - and it doesn't affect their salary either.

Yes... It is. American Audio VMS 4.1 - $399; Denon MC6000 MK2 - $799... Is there anyone else in the DJ business (other than you) who thinks the Denon MC6000 MK2 is NOT a better controller than the American Audio VMS 4.1? Nuff said.[emoji1]

Firemen don’t own the truck, don’t buy the truck, and are not running a business or trying to make a profit.[emoji1]
 
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Firemen don’t own the truck, don’t buy the truck, and are not running a business or trying to make a profit.[emoji1]

But fireman DO purchase upgrades over the stuff their station provides:). Some of it is made with our BioThane material:). They could use the free stuff or the Chinese knock offs, but they don't:)

Here's a link:

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This not an example of anything relevant to buying better equipment. Do you care what kind of Fire Truck shows up at your burning house? I bet the Firemen care a great deal - and it doesn't affect their salary either.
BRAVO!

I nominate that post for "Best use of analogy in a non-comedy thread or post"

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Firemen don’t own the truck, don’t buy the truck, and are not running a business or trying to make a profit.[emoji1]

You're right. It's only their life we're talking about.
WTF?

I wonder why GTD doesn't make or sell any EMS communications gear? ...NOT!
 
You're right. It's only their life we're talking about.
WTF?

Nope... Wrong again! You’re the only one talking about firemen’s lives because you’re the one who used an analogy that makes no sense.[emoji1]

I get it though... When you take exception to EVERYTHING and anything, sometimes you have to use some convoluted analogies. This, however, was one of your least imaginative.[emoji1]
 
back in the day...late 70s early 80s I had a friend or two that were in an audio-phile race - specs beat all! And to some degree, yes. I never knew a BIC brand, but they made nice stuff. Never knew a books shelf speaker could blow out a candle - and not distort.

But then they continued this to their cars...with an ambient background (road, wind, engine, etc) noise level of 70-75db I didn't see the point, well, the benefit of spending 3X as much for a car stereo as one with 'less' specs.

And as we all know, specs can be measured in the most diverse ways, shall we say.
 
back in the day...late 70s early 80s I had a friend or two that were in an audio-phile race - specs beat all! And to some degree, yes. I never knew a BIC brand, but they made nice stuff. Never knew a books shelf speaker could blow out a candle - and not distort.

But then they continued this to their cars...with an ambient background (road, wind, engine, etc) noise level of 70-75db I didn't see the point, well, the benefit of spending 3X as much for a car stereo as one with 'less' specs.

And as we all know, specs can be measured in the most diverse ways, shall we say.

Bookshelf speakers are measured by science car speakers aren't. Car speakers were sold back in the day as 2000 watts and in reality they were more like a hundred and the equivalent SPL of 2000 in the enclosed small space
 
I bet those making fire trucks ALL say "we have the best fire truck - buy ours!" - maybe there are no cut-rate cheapo fire trucks?

Lets look at vehicles - ford, chevy, dodge - which is best? Having owned them all, there is little difference in 'quality' or dependability or any of that. Some years one is better than the others, but generally there is no difference.

toyota, nissan...they make trucks too. Are tehy any better? Better how?

Nobody AFAIK makes a 'professional grade' truck - like Peterbuilt or Mack say, where the truck will run 1,000,000 miles.

So in REALITY, what is teh difference between jvc, jbl, ev, qsc, yamaha, mackie? Likely none.

Mics...large price jumps..the $200 gtd has had no drops or interference...so what makes audio technica worth 6X? Or just about everyone else as well...you'd think they could make something, say a dual mic decent system for $400-600 range. Yet I can't find anything.

You're right. It's only their life we're talking about.
WTF?

I wonder why GTD doesn't make or sell any EMS communications gear? ...NOT!
 
I bet those making fire trucks ALL say "we have the best fire truck - buy ours!" - maybe there are no cut-rate cheapo fire trucks?

Lets look at vehicles - ford, chevy, dodge - which is best? Having owned them all, there is little difference in 'quality' or dependability or any of that. Some years one is better than the others, but generally there is no difference.

toyota, nissan...they make trucks too. Are tehy any better? Better how?

Nobody AFAIK makes a 'professional grade' truck - like Peterbuilt or Mack say, where the truck will run 1,000,000 miles.

So in REALITY, what is teh difference between jvc, jbl, ev, qsc, yamaha, mackie? Likely none.

Mics...large price jumps..the $200 gtd has had no drops or interference...so what makes audio technica worth 6X? Or just about everyone else as well...you'd think they could make something, say a dual mic decent system for $400-600 range. Yet I can't find anything.

If you're going to use words like "reality" then maybe the thing to look at is how far off topic you are.

There are shitty mics and there are good mics - that's reality.
It's your pig, use as much lipstick as you'd like.
 
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toyota, nissan...they make trucks too. Are tehy any better? Better how?

Nobody AFAIK makes a 'professional grade' truck - like Peterbuilt or Mack say, where the truck will run 1,000,000 miles.

I had an S-10, a Beretta, 2 Monte Carlo's (which came through GM's BEST QA plant) and a Toyota Tacoma. The Tacoma outlived all 4 Chevy's - and was still asking for more. Maintenance / long term ownership was also cheaper on my Tacoma than on any other vehicle. That truck went 300k before Toyota bought it back from me (frame perforation) for a really nice price. My Chevy's - each one started needing major work at 70k. This DOES equate to better in my book.
 
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