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So is the Shure BLX line awful? From what I gather in this conversation some feel most wireless microphone systems in the $200-$400 range are pointless. If the microphone systems in that range are useless why spend money on a name brand when it's frowned upon too?

I used my Shure BLX last night at a 50th birthday party. There was about 8 or 9 different speeches at this party.

The only issue I had with it was when the father of the birthday lady(She turned 50) (He must have been in his early 70s) gave a speech. He put the mic on his chin and was talking right into it. I was getting static while he was talking. I had to turn the gain down fairly low, and even then, I was still getting the static. It's not a mic that is meant to be yelled into, or talked right into. It's sensitive enough that it usually picks up speech makers pretty well. However, it's not quite as good as my older Shure PGX is. It also feels a bit cheaper as it's not as sturdy of a mic.

With that said. I think it's fine for wedding speech use, and for ceremonies. Just need the person using it to talk normally, and not have their mouth practically eating the mic!

Also, I don't agree with the notion that a DJ should spend $1,000+ on a microphone for complete strangers to use to make speeches with at weddings and parties. What if someone drops the mic and breaks it? What if one person decides to yell into the mic or pound on it, and damages it? ...Good Luck getting the client or guest to pay $1,000 for a replacement or whatever the microphone portion of the system costs!

I can assure you, the client won't believe the mic costs that much, and won't want to pay for it. Then you would wish you were using a cheaper mic!

The main reason these mic systems really cost more generally speaking is because they have a higher level of technology, and are able to produce a stronger signal between the transmitter and receiver box with way more channels available. Less chance of signal loss. Sound quality wise is probably very similar between a BLX and a SLX or QLXD.

There might be minor differences. Such as the BLX is a cheaper, lighter weight plastic. There is more handling noise when people tap the mic, or move it around. That is the big difference between the BLX, and my PGX unit. The PGX is a sturdier mic, and you don't get those handling noises.

The BLX is probably a poor choice for a singer who is doing a lot of moving around. I only recommend it for speeches, and where it can be put on a podium or mic stand. I'd rather use my PGX over the BLX for a singer to use.
 
Is that where the itching and burning comes from? Asking for a friend..... I know he is a pro, but, well.....the performance didn't add up so he had to pay extra.

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Also, I don't agree with the notion that a DJ should spend $1,000+ on a microphone for complete strangers to use to make speeches with at weddings and parties. What if someone drops the mic and breaks it? I can assure you, the client won't believe the mic costs that much, and won't want to pay for it. Then you would wish you were using a cheaper mic!

No one suggesting a DJ needs to spend $1,000 on a mic; just a mic well suited to a DJ and/or wedding receptions. It's also OUR JOB to provide a durable mic that can endure the expected accidents. In general, customers will not pay for a damaged mic, (I know I wouldn't.) We are not likely to get enforcement of that claim unless it we could show it was a malicious act, such as drunk deliberately smashing it.

The main reason these mic systems really cost more generally speaking is because they have a higher level of technology, and are able to produce a stronger signal between the transmitter and receiver box with way more channels available.

You have it backwards. The transitter/receiver is not what makes the product more expensive. The difference between GTD and Shure PGX for example, is the quality of the microphone. GTD is a $129 transmitter/reciever with 4 Free (sh***y) TOY handheld microphones. The Shure PGX is a $214 transmitter/reciever with your choice of a quality $135 (PG58) or $185 (SM58) handhled microphone.

A more expensive mic has better quality, more robust hardware, and flexibilty. For example, QLXD and ULXD are enterprise products with intra and inter net connectivity and control, plus a variety of antenna and power supply distribution options. Not to mention - the aadition of premium performance mic capsules. A Dj is never going to need this level of mic - but, there is a linear ladder of quality that can be climbed here and to claim that GTD is "just as good" speaks directly to the DJs knowledge base.
 
I did a wedding last night and they used the house system for speeches (their choice). The house system is a Meyer sound line array with I believe a Shure QLXD (I just got a quick look at it). The sound wasn't great and it was very hard to hear the speakers. People kept asking me to turn it up and I kept explaining it's the house system. Now this wasn't fault of the gear it was the tech. It brings back to it really doesn't matter what you use if it's not used correctly and the client is not happy

It's not the mic.
I work in a lot of installs like churches, colleges, etc where the system processor is EQ'd globally to suit one particular purpose and the high end mics all end up sounding like crap as a result. The whole system may suffer for the preference of one pastor's mic at the center altar. Most installs use auto-mixers with ducking and expansion that will reek havoc on you're input if your unaware of it's action. There are also some install mixers that are known to be kind of crappy in their high shelf and low cut. Different users also f*** with the semi-hidden below panel controls over time and there's no one on site who monitors or corrects for this.
 
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Different users also f*** with the semi-hidden below panel controls over time and there's no one on site who monitors or corrects for this.
Was setting up for an All Hands Briefing and the Col asked if everything was setup and ready to go. Told him I had tested and had him test the mic from the stage before the people showed up. Everything was great, all he had to do was un-mute the mic and he was golden. Went out and took my seat and his assistant was on the stage to help him with handing out awards. Apparently, she thought it needed to be turned up more since it was a full house. Un-mute - FEEDBACK. Went up and re-adjusted the levels and got the "You told me everything was ready to go" lecture from him. Umm....it was and had been tested. Tell her to leave the stuff alone if she isn't tasked to work on it!
 
It's not the mic.
I work in a lot of installs like churches, colleges, etc where the system processor is EQ'd globally to suit one particular purpose and the high end mics all end up sounding like crap as a result. The whole system may suffer for the preference of one pastor's mic at the center altar. Most installs use auto-mixers with ducking and expansion that will reek havoc on you're input if your unaware of it's action. There are also some install mixers that are known to be kind of crappy in their high shelf and low cut. Different users also f*** with the semi-hidden below panel controls over time and there's no one on site who monitors or corrects for this.

Oh I agree it wasn't the mic or the speakers it was the tech onsite that was the problem
 
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Oh I agree it wasn't the mic or the speakers it was the tech onsite that was the problem

Even the tech might be helpless to change things. The majority of options and settings to an auto-mixer are made inside the unit using jumpers on the circuit board. You can have all kinds of functionality preset that can't be changed by users trying to do something else.

A priority mic for example, might always be llive, and when a signal is detected it ducks all other channels. When your sound is picked up by the priority mic the channel you are coming in on gets expanded or filtered and you get a result very far from what you expect. Your own sound becomes your enemy. :)
 
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Even the tech might be helpless to change things. The majority of options and settings to an auto-mixer are made inside the unit using jumpers on the circuit board. You can have all kinds of functionality preset that can't be changed by users trying to do something else.

A priority mic for example, might always be llive, and when a signal is detected it ducks all other channels. When your sound is picked up by the priority mic the channel you are coming in on gets expanded or filtered and you get a result very far from what you expect. Your own sound becomes your enemy. :)

While I agree with what you said Bob that's not the case here. I've used this system myself and when he went and turned up the mic an hour and a half in to it things got much more clear
 
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OK... I have a small issue that perhaps someone can help with (and I don't mean by telling me to get better microphones:laugh:)... I was gonna do a little Karaoke comparison between my Sennheiser wired mic, and one of my GTD wireless mics, but realized I can't record the mix (with my controller) because the wireless mics don't actually go through the controller. To be honest, my mics sound better when they are NOT attached to the controller, but the wired ones are anyway. The problem with my current configuration is; if I ever did an event where I wanted to record the entire event, none of the vocals from the wireless mics would be included. Here's a diagram of how my Small System is wired (my Large System is similarly wired, but with a different mixer and four mic system)....
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... Temporarily I disconnected my gooseneck mic and moved the cable from wireless mic # 1 to the Mic 1 input on my controller. That's fine for my comparison exercise, but not a satisfactory permanent solution. The reason I have the secondary mixer to begin with is to get better audio from the microphones, and it DOES work, so running the Audio Out from the wireless mic system to the controller is not an option... That's how it was before I got the mixer. What if I came out of the Rolls mixer (RCA jacks) into the Line 3 (or 4) port of my controller? I think that would work, but it would leave audio going into the mixer (Line 1) from controller (Master Out) then back into the controller... in kind of a loop. Is that workable?
 
OK... I have a small issue that perhaps someone can help with (and I don't mean by telling me to get better microphones:laugh:)... I was gonna do a little Karaoke comparison between my Sennheiser wired mic, and one of my GTD wireless mics, but realized I can't record the mix (with my controller) because the wireless mics don't actually go through the controller. To be honest, my mics sound better when they are NOT attached to the controller, but the wired ones are anyway. The problem with my current configuration is; if I ever did an event where I wanted to record the entire event, none of the vocals from the wireless mics would be included. Here's a diagram of how my Small System is wired (my Large System is similarly wired, but with a different mixer and four mic system)....
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... Temporarily I disconnected my gooseneck mic and moved the cable from wireless mic # 1 to the Mic 1 input on my controller. That's fine for my comparison exercise, but not a satisfactory permanent solution. The reason I have the secondary mixer to begin with is to get better audio from the microphones, and it DOES work, so running the Audio Out from the wireless mic system to the controller is not an option... That's how it was before I got the mixer. What if I came out of the Rolls mixer (RCA jacks) into the Line 3 (or 4) port of my controller? I think that would work, but it would leave audio going into the mixer (Line 1) from controller (Master Out) then back into the controller... in kind of a loop. Is that workable?

Feeding your controller to the Rolls is redundant, and the controller is the central hub of your system so reverse what you are doing. Use the rolls to mix the wireless mics, insert a gated compressor on the insert jack, and deliver the Rolls output to your controller on Line 3. The FX will only act on the wireless mic channels (protecting you from unruly karaoke singers) and you'll have 4 more line inputs you can use to feed your controller.

If you want to connect the MIx out of your mic receiver to the 1/4" mic input on your controller you need to insert a -30dB pad or they will sound like crap because that output is likely to be line level. The quality of the Rolls mixer is no better than that of the controller, so poor sound is not about the order of connection - it's about proper impedance level and matching.

Yes, you could do with better microphones but, not not until you also have a better mixer. :)
 
Feeding your controller to the Rolls is redundant, and the controller is the central hub of your system so reverse what you are doing. Use the rolls to mix the wireless mics, insert a gated compressor on the insert jack, and deliver the Rolls output to your controller on Line 3. The FX will only act on the wireless mic channels (protecting you from unruly karaoke singers) and you'll have 4 more line inputs you can use to feed your controller.

If you want to connect the MIx out of your mic receiver to the 1/4" mic input on your controller you need to insert a -30dB pad or they will sound like crap because that output is likely to be line level. The quality of the Rolls mixer is no better than that of the controller, so poor sound is not about the order of connection - it's about proper impedance level and matching.

Yes, you could do with better microphones but, not not until you also have a better mixer. :)

I see what you’re saying, but... there are other reasons why I use the Rolls mixer in it’s current order in the signal chain... Besides having the 2 mics and the controller (Line 1) hooked to it, I also have a Bluetooth receiver (Line 2), and my backup computer (through a NI Audio DJ to Line 3), and Line 4 is used as an external input on the patch panel for my Latop.
 
Record off the Rolls then .. just need another USB audio box.
 
The controller already has a built in sound card, Yes? This system does not imply that your typical event requires anywhere near the level of live backup you cite. I would ditch all the extraneous connections and stay focused only on active sources.

If your controller has USB record capability then that is your HUB and everything else should be in it's orbit. Nothing good comes from turning the simple into complicated.

Record off the Rolls then .. just need another USB audio box.

LOL. No, let's not encourage more layers to this labyrinth . :)
 
Sorry... I guess I don’t understand. Can you be a little more specific, please?[emoji4]


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A simple USB soundcard off the Rec Out jacks of the Rolls (connect to the recording laptop) would allow you to record anything that went through it .. what's connected to the controller, the stuff directly connected to it AND the backup computer.
 
A simple USB soundcard off the Rec Out jacks of the Rolls (connect to the recording laptop) would allow you to record anything that went through it .. what's connected to the controller, the stuff directly connected to it AND the backup computer.

OK... I get it. Thanks. That’s an option I hadn’t considered.[emoji4]

That’s pretty similar to how my Large System is wired, so I can play music visualizations based on what’s coming through my main DJ computer. I just never needed to RECORD anything from the wireless mics before. With either system, recording from the wired mics (1 and 2) connected to the controller, it would record with no problem. And before I added the Rolls mixer to my Small System, it recorded everything, because the wireless mic system attached to the Mic 2 input on the controller.

I could pretty easily have the Controller operate as the main hub, but the reason I use the Mixer as the hub is it basically allows my backup system to operate completely independently from the controller. If the controller or my main DJ computer fails, I’m playing music in mere seconds. If the Mixer fails, all I do is switch the XLR cables from the Mixer to the Outputs on the controller, and I’m back in business in 30 seconds.

Whether or not my contingencies are necessary???... that’s perhaps a worth-while debate. Might very well be OCD run amok.[emoji1]
 
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If you already have a Native Instruments Audio interface why aren't you using that to record?
 
If you already have a Native Instruments Audio interface why aren't you using that to record?

Hmm???... If you’re referring to the NI Audio DJ, it is connected via USB to my backup computer (Surface Pro), and the Audio Out goes to the Rolls Mixer (Line In #3). Nothing from the Mixer or Controller connects as input to the Surface Pro, so it can’t record a mix.

You asked if my Controller had a built-in sound card, which it does. And I can record (within Traktor) on the computer to which it is attached, AND the vocals from the two microphones attached to the controller will record in the mix. The problem I’m trying to resolve is the audio from the wireless mics never go through the controller, so the audio from them does not get recorded. Since the speakers are attached to the mixer, the audio from EVERYTHING goes to the speakers. Anyone using a wireless mic can be heard very clearly... they just would not be recorded if I was recording the mix in Traktor on my main DJ computer.

This is not a real serious problem, as I have never been asked to record an event. I only discovered the “hole” when I was trying to record a demo of my mics using Traktor.[emoji4]
 
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.. or .. Run a cable from the Rec Out of the Rolls to one of the Channel Inputs on the Denon, set the Cue on that Channel and Record the Cue output (one of the return signals of the Denon USB). Would limit your ability to listen to the Cue, but can record with no additional gear.
 
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I would just route the wireless mics through your controller and get rid of all the extra stuff. This is your "small system" right? You have a computer that both plays and records - why mess with that? You don't need 2 DJ mics when you also have 2 wireless on hand. Bring the combined wireless signal back into the controller on MIC ch.2 and ditch the second DJ mic.

As far as backup, the difference between a few seconds and a few minutes is null. If your playback crashes in the middle of a formal dance what will save your a** is how you choose to handle the room - not how fast you can restart the song. Knowing how to hold an audience and their confidence is a thousand times more valuable than building redundant electronics. Ten seconds or ten minutes - with the right people skills it won't matter.
 
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