Mix this is because you live/ hang out in the hood, there is no other way to put it, the rest of us don't have issues like this, I know you want to think its about how the place is run but it has a lot to do with where the place is located
Where are the millenials???
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And sometimes people make the horse pay for privilege of being brought.
In the early 80's, our area had more than a dozen really good rock clubs.
(bars that were big and had bands 4 or 5 nites a week)
Plus, we had easily two dozen really good bar bands, who made the rounds.
Now, all of the rock clubs have closed.
There are only a handful of places big enough to have bands,
and even fewer really good bands.
Everything has switched over to small pubs or corner bars who feature acoustic solo's or duo's.
I don't know where the millenials go around here.
All of the nightclubs (bars that only have Club DJ's) seem to be filled with the older crowd.
(bars that were big and had bands 4 or 5 nites a week)
Plus, we had easily two dozen really good bar bands, who made the rounds.
Now, all of the rock clubs have closed.
There are only a handful of places big enough to have bands,
and even fewer really good bands.
Everything has switched over to small pubs or corner bars who feature acoustic solo's or duo's.
I don't know where the millenials go around here.
All of the nightclubs (bars that only have Club DJ's) seem to be filled with the older crowd.
I just finished giving you examples of why it's about how a place is run. Like I said before I've seen places that were in a nice area that are now closed due to how the place was run and what people were allowed to go in the place. One place I know of was in Montclair, NJ called Divas. It was around a long time and eventually closed down due to the owner letting the rift raft come in. The place was on Bloomfield Ave in the business district. Someone tried to do something else with it and it didn't even last a year. By the time this other person took it over it had gotten a bad reputation and in most cases once that happens it's hard to erase that stigma from the place. Especially if the new owner is going to allow the same type of people to come in the place.
What you`re not getting Mix is that most of us NEVER have to be worried about this stuff you do. Occasionally we might see a bar fight just a couple of good old boys blowing off steam no one is getting shot or shanked and it`s handled in a matter of seconds. Most of us when we work or worked bars would watch a diverse crowd. Sure there was riff raff and there was upper class and everything in between but we never worry about ducking at any point.
In all the bars I have worked over the years I can think of one situation that I was personally threatened and it was some old drunk guy. I sent him to sit down and he came back and took a swing at me....Missed my a country mile. I wrapped him and escorted him out the side door before the bouncers had a chance to get to him...Which was probably good for him
I and most other don't have "those people" who try to get into the bars, the rift raft don't exist or at least don't act the way you describe the people you are talking about
I see what is being missed here. I said it's all in how a place is being run. Some places make the mistake of chasing after fast money instead of smart money.
It was mentioned about a place having a diverse crowd coming in a place. That's what helped The Private Place Lounge to last as long as it did. The owner made sure she had different things going on through the week and made the itinerary to keep trouble from coming in the place. There was a white couple that came in the place that was well over 60 years old and they felt comfortable being in the place. They could dance their azz off too.
The big hit that was said was about having a different crowd of people in the place each day. They would have young and old come in the place. My personal experience is every place that allows a DJ to play all of today's hip-hop and r and b all night long never last. Eventually it turns into a crazy mess causing the doors to be closed because the police get tired of coming to the place to become the peace maker.
It was mentioned about a place having a diverse crowd coming in a place. That's what helped The Private Place Lounge to last as long as it did. The owner made sure she had different things going on through the week and made the itinerary to keep trouble from coming in the place. There was a white couple that came in the place that was well over 60 years old and they felt comfortable being in the place. They could dance their azz off too.
The big hit that was said was about having a different crowd of people in the place each day. They would have young and old come in the place. My personal experience is every place that allows a DJ to play all of today's hip-hop and r and b all night long never last. Eventually it turns into a crazy mess causing the doors to be closed because the police get tired of coming to the place to become the peace maker.
Nobody is missing that.
What you're missing is that many local bar scenes don't suffer from the same types of riff raff that you're talking about, even if the bar isn't being run the best.
I will say that DC certainly uses music format and dress codes to control crowds, so there is some legitimacy to your point. If you play nothing but gangster rap music in your club, and you don't enforce a dress code, you'll get a certain crowd.
But most of us don't have anywhere near the level of concern that you do about these things. And the places that attract DJs I want to see certainly don't have those issues.
Macho, in your mobile dj life and bar/club life, you seem to be very confined within a few square miles of where you live, which yes, admittedly are not the areas most would want to frequent. However, if you tavel just 10-20 minutes outside of where you live, you will find many clubs and bars that are doing very well... and yes... many do play hip hop. I wouldn't say thriving... as that is very subjective, and each year one spot is hotter than the other, but doing very well in holding a steady crowd week after week and staying out of the headlines.
me explain it this way. First I said nothing about not playing Hip Hop. What I said was every place that allows a DJ to play that all night long never last. They may do good for a while but eventually it turns into a mess and thus the doors get closed. What works best is when you have a good mixture.
That's what the DJ who played in the Private Place Lounge on Saturday nights had to do. He wasn't allowed to play that stuff all night. He was allowed to play that stuff and it better be the right stuff in the beginning. After a certain time he had to change things up.
Just so you know I've seen major clubs go out of business because they made the switch. One such club was called Brokers Entertainment Complex. It started out in the Irvington Manor and eventually moved to a spot where a club used to be called Club 88 was at. When it was Club 88 you had a certain way to dress to get in. Men had to wear either a sport coat with a nice pair of slacks, shirt and shoes. There were no exceptions. Ladies had to dress a certain way as well or they didn't get in either. This place had to floors. When Brokers took over they did the same thing in the beginning. I know the guy that was the manager personally! Their itinerary was to play house music in the beginning and later on the DJ would play 20 minutes of Hip Hop and 20 minutes of Reggae. After that came club classics. The manager told them not to change things but they didn't listen.
They made the switch to mostly Hip Hop and Reggae. That brought the crowd coming to the place that don't dress up. That crowd only knows to wear jeans, sneakers, t shirts and Tims. So the class of people changed. Another DJ that played there for 14 years left playing there. I asked him why and he said they started fighting and shooting. That club has been closed down for many many years now due to them making that big mistake. That's not the only place I seen that was going strong go out of business because of making the same mistake.
I think you missed my point... I simply mentioned that there are MANY successful and upscale clubs that play all types of music, including hip hop, that are about 15 minutes away from you. Yes... back in the day your immediate area had more thriving clubs... but it no longer does. You can definitely find them outside your immediate area and you'll never have to write a post like the ones above again. NJ is a really small state, you can find anything within a 30 minute drive.
The best thing you said is those places you mentioned play many styles of music and not just Hip Hop. Ask yourself this question. What are they doing right to keep their business and going strong.?
I personally got to know the owners over the years in a couple of the establishments I used to frequent and learned a little bit about their particular way of doing things. They focus on a better clientele by hiring promoters that reach out to the "right crowd"... which I think is crucial. They have of course dress codes, and they also price themselves in a way that filters out those that are looking for trouble. They do have a security team that is very good, so that even if something does happen, it is dealt with quickly and effectively so it doesn't distract from the night. Anytime someone is kicked out, they take a copy of their id and are never let in again at their venues. They do hire dj's that are hip hop based, and while they bring out a different crowd than say a house dj... they still have quality control measures in place to maintain a quality night for their guests.