THey most certainly are.Bars and most clubs are generally not considered private places.
Privately held assets.
THey most certainly are.Bars and most clubs are generally not considered private places.
Not all are privately held, but the place isn't private unless the patrons are limited by membership or invitation.THey most certainly are.
Privately held assets.
I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed. That's why if I do my homework first before agreeing to play in a place. I haven't actively looked at playing in a place for quite some time.It's not that we "think nothing" of a fight breaking out at a bar/nightclub....
it's that most of us HERE, don't do the bar scene...we concentrate on private events.
Now, if you were spinning at a wedding, and four fights broke out....
YEAH! That is something we would take notice of.
Bar fights are nothing new, especially for your neighborhood.
And you may claim that it's not a place you would play at...
but it certainly sounds like the kind of place you USED TO play at.
You've described the trouble you have encountered on this very website...
so I am wondering why YOU are so surprised, when the rest of us are NOT!
I would really focus my time and energy on things that I can control and not focusing my energies on some club that has no effect n meI have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed. That's why if I do my homework first before agreeing to play in a place. I haven't actively looked at playing in a place for quite some time.
So Itigger you would just let anybody come in a place you owned? Never mind if it's a rough crowd that will come in looking for trouble and tearing up your place?
That's the classic mistake some places make. All they see is money coming in the door and can't refuse getting their money. A lot of them don't spend a lot of money. They will nurse 1or 2 beers and that's it.
We're not discussing private 'clubs'. We are discussing public facing facilities. As to myself being 'posed and ready to sue', one should read the story a little better.Private places are not required to prostrate themselve at the altar of the demands of the public.
You sound posed and ready to sue private individuals to enforce your personal expectations.
'Selective' is a form of discrimination. This is illegal. I'm not sure which part you don't understand. Try it and see what happens.Law suit my azz. What would you rather have a lawsuit or your place being closed down for good.? Who told you that you can't be selective? It's your place to run how you see fit to keep the doors open.
If I was a bar owner, I would read, understand and comply with the law. The law says it is ILLEGAL to not serve people based on forms of discrimination. I would also know that anyone that comes into my bar is a potential customer - and turning them away means I may not get that money. You fuss an awful lot about facilities not hiring you - yet, a bar cannot stay in business (nor afford to pay you) under your conditions. If I own a bar, then I need money to pay my bills, my employees, the entertainment, security, etc - and as evidenced, you only care about what the DJ gets paid and that the audience meets the DJ's 'requirements'. You don't care about the facility and what they have to do to earn that money. Most business people are not rich, like you. They can't afford to turn business away. I also know of NO ONE that actively does business with the 'wrong people', except people that actively break the law (crooks, drugs, etc). If you come into my bar and cause a ruckus, I will have you removed (this is legal).I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed. That's why if I do my homework first before agreeing to play in a place. I haven't actively looked at playing in a place for quite some time.
So Itigger you would just let anybody come in a place you owned? Never mind if it's a rough crowd that will come in looking for trouble and tearing up your place?
That's the classic mistake some places make. All they see is money coming in the door and can't refuse getting their money. A lot of them don't spend a lot of money. They will nurse 1or 2 beers and that's it.
I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed.
I really think you should buy a bar - see if you can make it a successful facility. You seem to think you can - so try it. Please report back with your findings in 5 years.
So the gov't. now owns bars/nightclubs?Not all are privately held, but the place isn't private unless the patrons are limited by membership or invitation.
Know the law before you spew ignorance.'Selective' is a form of discrimination. This is illegal. I'm not sure which part you don't understand. Try it and see what happens.
I have entered a secured Gov't building with a harmless pocket knife and never once felt discriminated against.Try entering a secrued government building with an innocuous and harmless pocket knife...you will be immediately discrimnated against despite the fact that you have no intention or capacity of causing harm.
This is true, and every person entering your facility should be treated the same. Not allowing some in because 'you' deem them 'tackheads' is not legal.And, as long as every person with a pocket knife is treated with the same, the discrimination is legal.
I think it is you that is ill informed and confused. As a public facing business, you cannot discriminate. Try it Rocky, let us know how it works out for ya.I think you are ill informed and confusing institutional, systemic and speciificaly prohibited housing, employment and public education discrimination with a business' right to refuse service.
You most certainly cannot, not without justification - and because they look like a tackhead is not a justification. The issue with it is that while you 'could' tell someone they can't come in, if a legal suit is brought, it is then on you to demonstrate that you were not being discriminatory. Considering you seem to know so much about this though, you should probably call the baker that was sued for not providing a cake to a couple - because it was against his beliefs. There are other cases if you care to look them up.You most certainly can prohibit individuals from entering your place of business.
No, but companies do ...So the gov't. now owns bars/nightclubs?
Whether you felt it or not, you were legally discriminated against. It happens, as I stated.I have entered a secured Gov't building with a harmless pocket knife and never once felt discriminated against.
You created that prejudiced reference in your mind. No one used that or any other derogatory term to discuss this matter...revealing but predictable.Not allowing some in because 'you' deem them 'tackheads' is not legal.
Your ignorance is boundless and seemingly infinite in these matters. You know little if anything about discrimination law but attempt to espouse on it and you know nothing of me or my practices/behavior but choose imply that I, immorally and illegally, as you foolishly seem compelled to characterize, discriminate. I do not do as you allege.I think it is you that is ill informed and confused. As a public facing business, you cannot discriminate. Try it Rocky, let us know how it works out for ya.
Your own word validate my statements and YOUR IGNORANCE AND PREJUDICES ARE SHOWING...yet again.You most certainly cannot, not without justification - and because they look like a tackhead is not a justification. The issue with it is that while you 'could' tell someone they can't come in, if a legal suit is brought, it is then on you to demonstrate that you were not being discriminatory. Considering you seem to know so much about this though, you should probably call the baker that was sued for not providing a cake to a couple - because it was against his beliefs. There are other cases if you care to look them up.
Not necessarily their "open to the public" establishments ......companies are private entities.
Whatever you allege, Perry Mason.Not necessarily their "open to the public" establishments ...