Mics popping and sounding bad

[steve149]

Give it up... You’re cherry picking...

Out of 288 reviews for the GTD Audio G-787H...

... and out of 159 reviews for the Shure BLX288/PG58...


Seems about 80% are among the “lucky select group” no matter which brand you choose.[emoji1]

... Average review is slightly better for the GTD than the Shure (4.3 to 4.2).

I would venture the buyer demographic to be different, which would skew things.

 

[DJ Bobcat]

I would venture the buyer demographic to be different, which would skew things.

Demographics really do not matter, as Shure buyers are reviewing Shure and GTD buyers are reviewing GTD.[emoji1] 20% of Shure buyers are no happier with their purchase than 20% of GTD buyers are with theirs.[emoji4]


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[steve149]

Demographics really do not matter, as Shure buyers are reviewing Shure and GTD buyers are reviewing GTD.[emoji1] 20% of Shure buyers are no happier with their purchase than 20% of GTD buyers are with theirs.[emoji4]


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But Shure buyers might be more knowledgeable and discerning ...

 

[DJ Bobcat]

But Shure buyers might be more knowledgeable and discerning ...

Maybe so, but 20% of ‘em were NOT happy with their Shure mics. The other 80% were among a “lucky select group”.[emoji1]


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[steve149]

Let's be fair .. the dual BLX/PG setup isn't what I would consider "professional level" either .. no external antennae will severely limit the performance. They are entry level UHF mics with Shure's lowest end capsule (PG58, not SM58). Some of the 1 and 2 rating comments are clearly from folks who know not what they do.

I have no issue believing that the GTD users like the value they get in the unit. I would also assume these are NOT sound folks. But having good value for the money .. and being GOOD are two different things. I would like to see some ACTUAL test reports with objective info .. it's out there for the better mic units.

 

[DJ Bobcat]

Let's be fair .. the dual BLX/PG setup isn't what I would consider "professional level" either .. no external antennae will severely limit the performance. They are entry level UHF mics with Shure's lowest end capsule (PG58, not SM58). Some of the 1 and 2 rating comments are clearly from folks who know not what they do
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LOL... Keep trying... I think I was being more than fair. That Shure System costs over $200 more than the GTD, which had 4 microphones. Are you saying that for almost double the price, and half the number of mics, that superior brand can’t do better than a draw against the LOWLY GTD G-787?[emoji1]

AND... I’d bet there are about the same percentage of GTD reviewers “who no not what they do” as Shure reviewers; probably more. Those arguments are pure supposition. [emoji1]

But let’s compare the Shure BLX/PG to the GTD Audio G-622H dual mic system... Both dual mics, and both entry level (by YOUR assertion)... Cost of the GTD is less than half of the Shure, but now let’s look at the 704 reviews of the GTD Audio G-622H...



Looks like 90% of those 704 reviewers are in that “lucky select group”, and they all still have an EXTRA $300 in their pockets they would not have had if they had purchased that Shure System... you know... the BETTER BRAND NAME product.[emoji1]

 

[steve149]

LOL... Keep trying... I think I was being more than fair. That Shure System costs over $200 more than the GTD, which had 4 microphones. Are you saying that for almost double the price, and half the number of mics, that superior brand can’t do better than a draw against the LOWLY GTD G-787?[emoji1]

AND... I’d bet there are about the same percentage of GTD reviewers “who no not what they do” as Shure reviewers; probably more. Those arguments are pure supposition. [emoji1]

But let’s compare the Shure BLX/PG to the GTD Audio G-622H dual mic system... Both dual mics, and both entry level (by YOUR assertion)... Cost of the GTD is less than half of the Shure, but now let’s look at the 704 reviews of the GTD Audio G-622H...



Looks like 90% of those 704 reviewers are in that “lucky select group”, and they all still have an EXTRA $300 in their pockets they would not have had if they had purchased that Shure System... you know... the BETTER BRAND NAME product.[emoji1]

It may be a superior brand, but it's not a superior product ... more expensive because it costs to have service, a warranty, etc. Still not at a level I would recommend to someone who asks.

 

[steve149]

Again, I have no issue with someone using these products if it fits their need. My only issue would be in calling them "professional".

 

[DJ Bobcat]

It may be a superior brand, but it's not a superior product ... more expensive because it costs to have service, a warranty, etc. Still not at a level I would recommend to someone who asks.

LOL ... I keep trying to help you out here, but it Shure isn’t easy (pun intended).[emoji1] How about this one... has a couple of antennas. Dual mics, one is the SM58, but sadly only one receiver. Costs a measly $1,439. Shurely the reviews are better, right???[emoji1]...

... UH OH... only 3 out of 4 got in that “select lucky group”.[emoji1]

OK... even I’ll admit that only 4 reviews to 704 is kind of unfair... but still funny.[emoji1]

 

[steve149]

LOL ... I keep trying to help you out here, but it Shure isn’t easy (pun intended).[emoji1] How about this one... has a couple of antennas. Dual mics, one is the SM58, but sadly only one receiver. Costs a measly $1,439. Shurely the reviews are better, right???[emoji1]...

... UH OH... only 3 out of 4 got in that “select lucky group”.[emoji1]

OK... even I’ll admit that only 4 reviews to 704 is kind of unfair... but still funny.[emoji1]

Did you read the 1 bad one .. some are for a different product or stupidity on the buyers part. I read a couple on another Shure product (not Shure which one you picked above) and it got dinged for only being a mic and having no receiver .. the product was only the mic.

 

[DJ Bobcat]

Again, I have no issue with someone using these products if it fits their need. My only issue would be in calling them "professional".

LOL... I didn’t call them “professional” but Amazon.com has no problem with calling them that, and making them their “Choice” as well.[emoji1]...



Who am I to argue with Amazon.com?[emoji1]

 

[DJ Bobcat]

Did you read the 1 bad one .. some are for a different product or stupidity on the buyers part. I read a couple on another Shure product (not Shure which one you picked above) and it got dinged for only being a mic and having no receiver .. the product was only the mic.

If you’re arguing that there’s a lot of stupid people out there buying Shure products... YOU WIN... I’ll give ya that one.[emoji1]


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[steve149]

LOL... I didn’t call them “professional” but Amazon.com has no problem with calling them that, and making them their “Choice” as well.[emoji1]...



Who am I to argue with Amazon.com?[emoji1]

When Amazon bases it's recommendation on quality instead of quantity, I'll take notice ..

 

[DJ Bobcat]

When Amazon bases it's recommendation on quality instead of quantity, I'll take notice ..

It’s actually based on the HIGH reviews 90% satisfaction.[emoji1]


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[steve149]

If you’re arguing that there’s a lot of stupid people out there buying Shure products... YOU WIN... I’ll give ya that one.[emoji1]


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I'll argue that the lower scores for the Shures were predominantly from stupid people .. I'm not a big Shure guy (I have SM57, SM58 and Super 55 Deluxe wired mics and a SLX/58 wireless unit) but the better pieces have been rock solid .. all the time. I'm more of a Sennheiser wired mic guy (I have 8 of them) and an Audio Technica wireless (I have 6 Series 3000 units).

 

[steve149]

It’s actually based on the HIGH reviews 90% satisfaction.[emoji1]


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Well, when you're the only place other than eBay selling them it's in your interest to hype them ..

 

[Proformance]

Give it up... You’re cherry picking...

Not at all.
You have to know how to buy professional equipment - which means looking for CRITICAL reviewers who are technically savvy enough to know the ins and outs of how a device should perform. All the empty "thumbs up" reviews need to be tossed out because they set no baseline for perfomance; there's no way to discern between a truly good outcome or a happy idiot if no information about the use or application is provided. Then there is the multitude of positive reviews by people with no verified purchase record.

I always start with the bad reviews and work my way up the scale because bad reviews are more likley to be from skilled people who know how to evaluate the key technical points of a product,. They speak directly to how and why the product or seller failed which is useful and necessary to establish both their credibility and the products quality. I toss out people who go negative out of ignorance or inexperience just as I would the uninformed positive review.

 

[Proformance]

Demographics really do not matter, as Shure buyers are reviewing Shure and GTD buyers are reviewing GTD.[emoji1] 20% of Shure buyers are no happier with their purchase than 20% of GTD buyers are with theirs.

No, you can only say 20% of eBay buyers... or 20% of Amazon buyers... because the majority of professional equipment sales still do not happen on eBay or Amazon.

You don't find GTD products offered by professional equipment suppliers because, the products don't have a market in professional audio. So, if you want to get savvy reviews - you have to seek out those reviewers who go into great detail about how they used a product and how it failed or succeeded.

For example:

Ricky said his mic is great, but as I heard it in his video the sonic quality was very poor. Being able to walk across a room without an RF dropout is worthless if you sound crappy everywhere in the room. It's not clear what Ricky believes constitutes quality sound.

Rick says he is pleased with his mic's performance but, he gives no insight into his standards of performance other than getting done as cheaply as possible.

The OP describes a night where his mics failed miserably and yet, continues to look for external causes rather than accept how limited the design of those cheap mics really is.

 

[DJ Bobcat]

No, you can only say 20% of eBay buyers... or 20% of Amazon buyers... because the majority of professional equipment sales still do not happen on eBay or Amazon.

You don't find GTD products offered by professional equipment suppliers because, the products don't have a market in professional audio. So, if you want to get savvy reviews - you have to seek out those reviewers who go into great detail about how they used a product and how it failed or succeeded...

You continue to tap dance, but the stats on Amazon.com speak for themselves. Regardless of how many people buy elsewhere, the PERCENTAGES of the reviewers speak for themselves.

To believe your argument, we’d have to believe that NEW Shure products on eBay and Amazon are inferior to those same models sold by your “professional” audio sales sources... NOT LIKELY.[emoji1]

 

[DJ Ricky B]

I'm doing my first karaoke gig tomorrow in 2 years. I will be using a dual set of VocoPro VHF mics that have shiny stuff on them to make them look cool, and a dual set of GTDs. Total cost for the 4 mics/both systems is roughly $200.

They will sound fine for the gig, and client/guests will be happy with the mic performance