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Of course there are , and my post was not implying that was not that the case, I surely hope you did not come to the conclusion that is what I was saying. Those same people that value that great dj are the same ones that probably will also see the value in spending money for higher goods or services.
Nope didn't take it at all that way... just I guess pointing out the flip side that isn't as gloomy lol. Everyone simply values different things. For those dj's who depend on the income they get from djing, finding the clients that value it is the goal. They don't have to spend money on lots of expensive things, just the dj is all we need to care about. I've done about 5 weddings in church gyms or community centers, and who knows how many sweet 16's like that. On sept 21st and 22nd I cost more than the rest of the Sweet 16's costs combined. Also has lots to do with the family's social dynamics. If you're in a family who loves to dance at events and the dj is always good and talked about... the expectation is that you'll invest in your dj. If you're the type of family that cares more about the food at every event you attend, and it's always judged then you'll invest in your venue or caterer. All assuming you have the financial means to accomplish whichever goal you have.
 
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Nope didn't take it at all that way... just I guess pointing out the flip side that isn't as gloomy lol. Everyone simply values different things. For those dj's who depend on the income they get from djing, finding the clients that value it is the goal. They don't have to spend money on lots of expensive things, just the dj is all we need to care about. I've done about 5 weddings in church gyms or community centers, and who knows how many sweet 16's like that. On sept 21st and 22nd I cost more than the rest of the Sweet 16's costs combined. Also has lots to do with the family's social dynamics. If you're in a family who loves to dance at events and the dj is always good and talked about... the expectation is that you'll invest in your dj. If you're the type of family that cares more about the food at every event you attend, and it's always judged then you'll invest in your venue or caterer. All assuming you have the financial means to accomplish whichever goal you have.
I don't think its very gloomy either , but I wonder at times if the pool of people that put value into things is shrinking, or is there more variables as to why people want to get the cheapest , in this case, we will stick with DJ's. And by seeing amount of complaints from other DJ's that post on the various DJ FB groups, it seems less people are putting value into what we do. And is that because that is what the mobile DJ industry has done to itself with all the bottom feeders? or is it more because a large portion society just don't understand how much work it takes to be truly great DJ?

You make valid points, people are going to invest in what is more important to them, or what they see offers more value to them. I have nothing else to add, you summed it up better than I could.
 
I don't think its very gloomy either , but I wonder at times if the pool of people that put value into things is shrinking, or is there more variables as to why people want to get the cheapest , in this case, we will stick with DJ's. And by seeing amount of complaints from other DJ's that post on the various DJ FB groups, it seems less people are putting value into what we do. And is that because that is what the mobile DJ industry has done to itself with all the bottom feeders? or is it more because a large portion society just don't understand how much work it takes to be truly great DJ?

You make valid points, people are going to invest in what is more important to them, or what they see offers more value to them. I have nothing else to add, you summed it up better than I could.
I think it's the dj's fault as a whole that has created this negative perception of what dj's do and what it costs to get a good quality dj. In NJ alone, I can name a bunch of companies who came along out of nowhere, had a really strong marketing campaign with lots of money spent, and then disappeared. Why... because they didn't live up to the hype they created or because they realized it's not so easy to be profitable. After realizing they have to charge more to be profitable, they get no clients, or they get a few but don't live up to the standard that that price point expects. So across all price points, there's disappointment... not in just the cheap or mid range, but also the top range. This makes it tough for expensive dj's to justify to a random person why they're worth what their worth, and for the rest of the dj's it becomes a race to the bottom, where corners will have to be cut to remain profitable, or send out anyone you can find to book as many parties in a day as possible to be profitable. If we put less value into what we do... so do the customers. I mean look how much resistance I get the moment i mention to someone that they need to change or invest in something better.

So all in all, the consumer experience is destroyed across all pricing spectrums, and it's why we have negative experiences like those written by the reddit users. As a result, there are few dj's that have something for the consumer to strive for and why we all appear to do the same thing in the eyes of the consumer. Now there are venues that people wish they could afford or dream to have their wedding at, or photographers that shoot for celebrities and are sought after, etc... but few dj's fall under that category. The reasoning for that is content. Venues have pictures of their venue and host bridal shows with food tastings, photographers have their photos they shoot on display on their site, videographers have their videos, invitation makers have examples of invitations, bands have demo cd's or mp3's... but what do dj's have that they can show. In 2018, there is no excuse to not be showcasing content left and right. It's why in 2011 I started doing video recaps. This is why I've always said you NEED content more than ever... as I said to Ricky the other day in a lengthy post. You have to stand out somehow. Now that's great and all that I and some others do that... but that leads us to another problem. Some of the most sought after dj's tend to not need to advertise, just simply due to their word of mouth business. I don't advertise... not one penny. That makes these top tier dj's hard to find, as they won't show in most google searches. And unlike venues or photographers which just about every wedding needs... not every wedding needs a dj... some do bands... so they're exposed even less.

All in all, good dj's are hard to find. Most dj's are not motivated to push the limits in their area. Most dj's settle for mediocre. Most dj's are not motivated to strive to be the most expensive with the highest quality in their area... but strive to undercut to earn business. Few strive to improve the quality of their product, to learn from someone better than them, to change how they do things so they don't become stale, and tend to have the same performance in 2019 as they did in 2009. Most tend to complain about today's music as opposed to finding out how to incorporate it in the best way possible to maximize the results on the dancefloor. With this lack of motivation amongst 90% in our industry, it's easy to understand why 90% (or whatever the number is) of consumers are not motivated to spend a lot on us.
 
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I think it's the dj's fault as a whole that has created this negative perception of what dj's do and what it costs to get a good quality dj. In NJ alone, I can name a bunch of companies who came along out of nowhere, had a really strong marketing campaign with lots of money spent, and then disappeared. Why... because they didn't live up to the hype they created or because they realized it's not so easy to be profitable. After realizing they have to charge more to be profitable, they get no clients, or they get a few but don't live up to the standard that that price point expects. So across all price points, there's disappointment... not in just the cheap or mid range, but also the top range. This makes it tough for expensive dj's to justify to a random person why they're worth what their worth, and for the rest of the dj's it becomes a race to the bottom, where corners will have to be cut to remain profitable, or send out anyone you can find to book as many parties in a day as possible to be profitable. If we put less value into what we do... so do the customers. I mean look how much resistance I get the moment i mention to someone that they need to change or invest in something better.

So all in all, the consumer experience is destroyed across all pricing spectrums, and it's why we have negative experiences like those written by the reddit users. As a result, there are few dj's that have something for the consumer to strive for and why we all appear to do the same thing in the eyes of the consumer. Now there are venues that people wish they could afford or dream to have their wedding at, or photographers that shoot for celebrities and are sought after, etc... but few dj's fall under that category. The reasoning for that is content. Venues have pictures of their venue and host bridal shows with food tastings, photographers have their photos they shoot on display on their site, videographers have their videos, invitation makers have examples of invitations, bands have demo cd's or mp3's... but what do dj's have that they can show. In 2018, there is no excuse to not be showcasing content left and right. It's why in 2011 I started doing video recaps. This is why I've always said you NEED content more than ever... as I said to Ricky the other day in a lengthy post. You have to stand out somehow. Now that's great and all that I and some others do that... but that leads us to another problem. Some of the most sought after dj's tend to not need to advertise, just simply due to their word of mouth business. I don't advertise... not one penny. That makes these top tier dj's hard to find, as they won't show in most google searches. And unlike venues or photographers which just about every wedding needs... not every wedding needs a dj... some do bands... so they're exposed even less.

All in all, good dj's are hard to find. Most dj's are not motivated to push the limits in their area. Most dj's settle for mediocre. Most dj's are not motivated to strive to be the most expensive with the highest quality in their area... but strive to undercut to earn business. Few strive to improve the quality of their product, to learn from someone better than them, to change how they do things so they don't become stale, and tend to have the same performance in 2019 as they did in 2009. Most tend to complain about today's music as opposed to finding out how to incorporate it in the best way possible to maximize the results on the dancefloor. With this lack of motivation amongst 90% in our industry, it's easy to understand why 90% (or whatever the number is) of consumers are not motivated to spend a lot on us.
I think that is a "mic drop" ( drop a cheap one of course) post.
 
No taking anything away from Taso, but his version of wedding spending isn't as insightful as it could be. The fact is, DJ Service is a luxury no matter who you are. The more luxury your lifestyle affords you - the more of it there will be in everything you buy and everyone you hire.

It's true that there is the occasional family who will hire a 5,000 DJ to work a wedding in the church basement while serving deli sandwiches to their guests. Thankfully that's rare because it's bad etiquette and insulting to the people on your guest list. Such a a lack of parity is a sign of selfishness.

A sweet 16 is a little different. Teens generally don't appreciate or even eat the food offered, which is why at Bar Mitzvahs the kids have an entirely different buffet menu from the higher end plated dinner served to adults. Here the priority is to keep the kids engaged and out of trouble, which takes a higher level of entertainment than just your average DJ.

It's not so much about appreciating the DJ as it is appreciating the entirety of the assembly. What's required for a successful teen party is very different than the expected etiquette for how one entertains adults.
 
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Chris, I agree with everything you said 100% , but I feel you might be missing what Rick is saying, he isnt saying its not important for him to give it his all, or that he doesnt take pride in being a DJ/Photog, what he is saying is that in the grand scheme in life, we , DJ's are not that important in 2018 . We are just one piece in the overall event puzzle, and some events and go on without us.

My step son is getting married in a weeks time I think, and for the longet time, I was going to DJ it, but the plans for the wedding have change and I feel its no longer important for them or me to DJ their wedding, its really not needed. Instead, I am going to use my expensive prosumer camera I thought I needed to film their wedding instead , that in the long run will be more important.
Obviously i understand this... at the same time... my original post was meant only to promote the notion that what we do can be done with expertice... however it has the rare caveat that anyone with a home stereo can decide they are a dj... is it so far fetched to "dream" that maybe theres a solution... every one of those guys taints our value and profession in some way... and forces us to prove we are different to every client whose ever experienced it... and maybe thats a good thing i guess...but id much rather the general perception of a skill i spent many years honing wasnt negative.

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Obviously i understand this... at the same time... my original post was meant only to promote the notion that what we do can be done with expertice... however it has the rare caveat that anyone with a home stereo can decide they are a dj... is it so far fetched to "dream" that maybe theres a solution... every one of those guys taints our value and profession in some way... and forces us to prove we are different to every client whose ever experienced it... and maybe thats a good thing i guess...but id much rather the general perception of a skill i spent many years honing wasnt negative.

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Completely agree with you Chris, and I would think that most of the DJ's that are not partaking in the race to the bottom would too.
 
this is why i believe dj's should have to pass some sort of test and be licensed...like doctors and lawyers... most of the people listed above are morons pretending to be dj's

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Lawyers, doctors, mortgage brokers, and stock brokers all must be licensed. Yet there is no shortage of negligence and fraud in these groups.

The last thing I want is some Dj hack telling people how "legit" he is because of some license.

While it's never good to hear, I think people need to do their due diligence when hiring anyone. It's easier today than ever.

The government should stay out of it until they can figure out how to not make me wait at the DMV. 😄
 
Obviously i understand this... at the same time... my original post was meant only to promote the notion that what we do can be done with expertice... however it has the rare caveat that anyone with a home stereo can decide they are a dj... is it so far fetched to "dream" that maybe theres a solution... every one of those guys taints our value and profession in some way... and forces us to prove we are different to every client whose ever experienced it... and maybe thats a good thing i guess...but id much rather the general perception of a skill i spent many years honing wasnt negative.

To understand this... you have to realize that EVERYONE who ever listens to music is also honing this same supposed "skill" - albeit to their own taste. Thus there can be no particular "skill' inherent in who picks the playlist. There is instead a boldness to stand in front of a group of your peers or complete strangers and have your particular version reviewed, criticized, enjoyed, or danced along with. This is what separates the DJ.

You're not a DJ because you can pick music - your a DJ because you have the guts to put yourself out there for review.
 
In NJ alone, I can name a bunch of companies who came along out of nowhere, had a really strong marketing campaign with lots of money spent, and then disappeared. Why... because they didn't live up to the hype they created or because they realized it's not so easy to be profitable
Just out of curiosity, based on what you are saying, am I better off staying at the lower end of pricing (600-800 to start) and work on my skills and word of mouth, then start raising my prices as I become more skilled (got a bit rusty over the last 10 years)?

Lawyers, doctors, mortgage brokers, and stock brokers all must be licensed. Yet there is no shortage of negligence and fraud in these groups
Don't forget mechanics, there are plenty of shady mechanics out there and (around here at least) they have to be licensed by the state to touch a car.
 
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Just out of curiosity, based on what you are saying, am I better off staying at the lower end of pricing (600-800 to start) and work on my skills and word of mouth, then start raising my prices as I become more skilled (got a bit rusty over the last 10 years)?


Don't forget mechanics, there are plenty of shady mechanics out there and (around here at least) they have to be licensed by the state to touch a car.
I've been doing this since I got out of hs in 2004 at 17yrs old... when I first started I did parties for $2-$300 until I started getting better gear, and had a better "presentation"... although still crappy by my current standards, (think of a mixmaster set up, with better condition speakers). I then went to $3-$500 because I felt I at least had the presentation... but now I had to learn what actual private events entailed as opposed to simply backyard parties, or events where I was mostly background music or playing for friends at events that didn't have much if anything invested into them. After that I got into the $600-$800 range (once I had a somewhat decent presentation and had some private event experience). After this point the only way to raise pricing was to continue to grow my skill set, add options to add on to events, and to grow my demand. As demand, skill, and quality of offerings... so did my pricing. I didn't break the $1000 starting price point until around 2010 or 2011. By 2012 when I went full time I was avg 1200 an event, and now in 2018 my starting price is $2000 with a $2750 avg event price. I got close to 300 inquiries in 2017 to show you how the demand has allowed me to raise my price. Demand though can only begin with top notch skill and effective marketing.
 
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You're not a DJ because you can pick music - your a DJ because you have the guts to put yourself out there for review.

Valid points... but just to clarify... im speaking about more than just mobile djing when i speak of honing skill... i spent many years learning to mix...craft a REAL mixtape...produce beats... rotate a club dancefloor...AND playlist on the fly... so all im saying is... a teenager with a free dj app should spend some time earning stripes before taking the name dj so and so... as any musician should have to tour bars and honky tonks a bit instead of playing guitar hero and saying hes a rock star...

Not sure why this is such a debate... unless youre someone who hasnt put work and effort into what you do...

Im not LITERALLY wanting a government ran dj division....im just saying ... learn the craft before calling yourself a dj...

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Valid points... but just to clarify... im speaking about more than just mobile djing when i speak of honing skill... i spent many years learning to mix...craft a REAL mixtape...produce beats... rotate a club dancefloor...AND playlist on the fly... so all im saying is... a teenager with a free dj app should spend some time earning stripes before taking the name dj so and so... as any musician should have to tour bars and honky tonks a bit instead of playing guitar hero and saying hes a rock star...

Not sure why this is such a debate... unless youre someone who hasnt put work and effort into what you do...

Im not LITERALLY wanting a government ran dj division....im just saying ... learn the craft before calling yourself a dj...

Unfortunately, whether you appreciate it or not the skill set you're describing is obsolete and is not at all useful in defining yourself or commanding today's event market. Grieving and complaining about it won't convince anyone to place more value on it.

It's great that you can mix - but, your teenage competitors with free DJ apps have access to unlimited studio remix content that is probably far more impressive for their particular audiences. Modern DJ software provides the beat grid, sync lock, and even auto cue - automating a lot of the mix mechanics. All that's left is style, sophistication, and professionalism - the three areas where a good two-thirds of disc jockeys fall completely flat.

On average, it is unusual for a disc jockey's clientele to extend much further than their own educational, social, and professional capacity. In theory, it doesn't take any higher education to be a DJ but, if someone barley finished high school and lives on the socioeconomic edges the are unlikely to have the resources and capacity that would foster the kind of hierarchical benefit you describe.
 
I've been doing this since I got out of hs in 2004 at 17yrs old... when I first started I did parties for $2-$300 until I started getting better gear, and had a better "presentation"... although still crappy by my current standards, (think of a mixmaster set up, with better condition speakers). I then went to $3-$500 because I felt I at least had the presentation... but now I had to learn what actual private events entailed as opposed to simply backyard parties, or events where I was mostly background music or playing for friends at events that didn't have much if anything invested into them. After that I got into the $600-$800 range (once I had a somewhat decent presentation and had some private event experience). After this point the only way to raise pricing was to continue to grow my skill set, add options to add on to events, and to grow my demand. As demand, skill, and quality of offerings... so did my pricing. I didn't break the $1000 starting price point until around 2010 or 2011. By 2012 when I went full time I was avg 1200 an event, and now in 2018 my starting price is $2000 with a $2750 avg event price. I got close to 300 inquiries in 2017 to show you how the demand has allowed me to raise my price. Demand though can only begin with top notch skill and effective marketing.
So.....my price is fair for being out of the loop for 10 years?
 
So.....my price is fair for being out of the loop for 10 years?

Your price is FAIR if you’re happy with it, and your clients are satisfied that you’re worth it... AND if you continue to get more customers willing to pay the same rate. If clients are willing to pay more, then THAT’S the fair price. If client’s will only pay you less than you want, and it’s not worth your time, effort, and expense, then that’s NOT FAIR.[emoji4]
 
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I need to get more clients first. I have had one so far, and they want to book me again for next year. I also have a wedding anniversary in 2 years, but nothing else lined up just yet.
 
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ALWAYS USE YOUR FACADE. It doesn't matter the gig. Secondly, get a professional camera... that first pic would've looked a lot better and not smurfed out if you had a proper camera. Can you get $600-$750 for what you charge.. around here yes... in your area, it may need to be more like $500-$600. Also considering that you don't have a huge clientele yet, you may need to be flexible on that as you really need to build your clientele base.


Ps.. you really don't need the mirror ball in 2018 and can actually simplify and clean up your set up with using just the two ends of your lighting stand, and eliminate all that middle trussing. It takes away from the cleanliness of the setup and really serves no purpose.
 
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this is why i believe dj's should have to pass some sort of test and be licensed...like doctors and lawyers... most of the people listed above are morons pretending to be dj's

For more than 100 years...you've had to take a test, pass it, and possess a license in order to drive a car.
It hasn't stopped bad drivers from making the rest of us look bad.