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MIXMASTERMACHOM

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The $500 fee they collect from the person booking the event and very likely they won’t touch your equipment but they will hit the Circuit breaker. But like I said this is between the hall & client booking the events. Hopefully the client passes this on to you before you sign the contract with them. As the venue is booked first they likely know about the rules, but may think it’s no big deals. I’ve had to deal was some crazy crap went being forced to use crappy house systems. One time I had to go and get my system out the van went the house system failed. Likely I saved the event by having equipment ready. Had I not been there would the other DJ had his system ready? Same thing with this one, we know the music isn’t going to be loud enough. Then I offer the solution which they may have turned down before during planning. But it will cost plenty but will save the event. Maybe it’s all my time as working corporate event & college events, I have no program breaking its down on how things are going go. Usually the only ones who are really a PIA are other DJs or think they are a DJs.
Let me say you're assuming it won't be loud enough. You really don't know unless you're either the DJ doing an event there or a guest at the event there. It might be just good enough. Now to be fair in this case some think that to impress the client and their guest that the music needs to be blasting extra loud. My experience is that the music needs to be at a good volume so people can enjoy themselves, the DJ can clearly hear what they are mixing (for those who do mix) and not have people's ears ringing.
 

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As others have said
if I were already contracted, I'd bite my lip and do it their way.
(after a long discussion with the bride & groom)

If I knew about it in advance, I would pass on the gig.

We had a venue that charged brides $100 if they arrived late for dinner.
The venue also installed a power switch in the kitchen that would kill the DJ music
if they went 1 second past the contracted end time. (not a public noise ordinance)
Word got out, and the venue is no longer in business.
 

MIXMASTERMACHOM

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I just thought of this. If someone unplugged our gear while we were performing at an event, I would file a lawsuit against either them or the venue. Probably wouldn't win but I would make an example of them. I would look for a TV court show for the case.
 

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I just thought of this. If someone unplugged our gear while we were performing at an event, I would file a lawsuit against either them or the venue. Probably wouldn't win but I would make an example of them. I would look for a TV court show for the case.
If a employee from the venue unplugs the power and something is damaged then you can sue the venue. Of cause if you violated their rules which cause them to shut you down I wouldn’t expect to winner. Although in 40+ years I’ve never had anything damaged because of a lost of power. Be it a breaker, generator dying or A hole pulling the plug, no damage.
 

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I just thought of this. If someone unplugged our gear while we were performing at an event, I would file a lawsuit against either them or the venue. Probably wouldn't win but I would make an example of them. I would look for a TV court show for the case.
Maybe one too many today Mixy??
 
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MIXMASTERMACHOM

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If someone shut us down like that it would take everything in me to remain professional. I remember a DJ on here said a guest who was drunk went and touched their gear because they wanted a song played right then and there. He said he had to get on the mic to get people to get the guy away from him so he could continue working. Sad something like this happened.
 

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How many of you have had an event to do and when you got there to do the event you found out about things like this that restricted you from doing things the way you normally do things?
 

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I would refer them to the client (who by contract is the entity responsible for my immediate supervision.) I do not have any authority to agree to a $500 fee imposed on someone else, nor does any agreement I might make with the venue legally supersede one that I made with the client. BOTH agreements would be legally binding despite any obvious conflict - meaning I could be simultaneously liable for damages to both parties no matter what side of the argument they are on.

My only responsibility to the venue is to abide by applicable federal, state, and municipal codes, and whatever agreements the client has made with them.
 

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He said he had to get on the mic to get people to get the guy away from him so he could continue working. Sad something like this happened.
I've had that happen a few times...maybe like twice in 24 years. But if you stick to more "reliable" venues, it rarely occurs.:pillyes:
 

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The venues rules are not an issue for me. The venues dishonesty is the real problem.
The venue is attempting to enjoin the vendor in a third party agreement - which is quite plainly a form of fraud.

The venue is demonstrating prior knowledge of this because they have assigned the $500 fee to the client - not the DJ. Any court arbitrating a conflict would quickly cite this as an unenforceable and deceptive gimmick. (In other words - the venue cannot use side agreements with vendors as a means to enforce contracts with some other third party.)

Ultimately, responsibility for compliance with any noise ordinance falls upon the venue and NO ONE ELSE. The venue has to make a choice to cater events or NOT. There is no inherent right to cater wedding events at sites with licences restrictions. The licensee alone holds that liability alone and it''s complaints from adjoing residents (not a noise meter) that will be the ultimate authority on what's "too loud."

If I were the client I would not sign this, even if I agreed to make every effort to stay within their cited rules. As a DJ I don't sin this because I have already consented to being under their employ - abiding these terms is their choice not mine.

The DJ is on the premises as a GUEST of the client, as is the florist, cake maker, linen provider, and clergy. . The DJ's agreement with the bride does not change the reality that all these vendors and their services are under ONE umbrella - the agreement between venue and client.
 

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You have no legal recourse if someone unplugs you from a power source that they own and control. It's a case of violating your terms of use (even if simply oral) and therefore they can disconnect you at will provided they also do so without violating any safety code (such as connection types required to be made/broken only by a licensed electrician.)

You can successfully go after someone who tampers with your own power source (such as a diesel generator) that has been legally and appropriately authorized to be on site for a particular purpose.
 

MIXMASTERMACHOM

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First this is on the client who agrees to have their event in such a venue. Now I say the client should let any DJ they contact about doing their event for them in such a venue know of the restrictions placed on the DJ. After knowing these things and agree to do the event, it's on them to abide by the venues rules. It's not the DJs venue. Just like in your own place where you live, you decide how you want things to be. If someone comes in your where you live at and doesn't want to go by your rules, you have a right to ask them to leave because it's your house and not theirs.
 

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If someone comes in your where you live at and doesn't want to go by your rules, you have a right to ask them to leave because it's your house and not theirs.
That's not what this form is doing.

The venue's license is subject to a noise restriction. It's licensed as a restaurant not a function hall. They are choosing to solicit event business that is more than likely to violate that noise restriction. That choice to host events comes at the risk of hefty fines.

They are simply trying to get the customer to pay those fines, or other damages they may incur as a result of their poor business choices.
The venue does not need to host weddings and it was not licensed for that purpose. I would not hire a DJ if it were my intention to use this venue.

Most weddings at a venue like this are a Brunch reception - typically 11:00a - 3:00p and music may be provided a simple trio or string quartet. This is not a party venue and the venue already made a commitment to that community at the time it was granted a license. The venue should not be hosting events with a DJ.
 

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There was a small bar not far from me in a neighboring town that had a license subject to noise limits.
They chose to start letting bands play on the weekends, and were cited or fined numerous times following complaints from the community.

The noise complaints are never specific to the band itself - it includes the crowd noise in and outside of the building, cars coming and going, deliveries, etc. All of it is part of those restrictions.

Eventually the bar license was revoked both for the repeated noise violations and for hosting bands without an entertainment license. It's a simple case of bad business decisions. Location matters - and it's incumbent on the business owner to choose a site appropriate for the business they want to conduct..
 

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Bob I hear you. The question was would you sign this? I'll say it again. If I was to get contacted about doing an event in that venue, I would hope the client would let me know of this. That way I can make a decision if I want to do their event or not. I would be highly upset if I agreed to do the event there and found these restrictions when I get there, instead of given a heads up ahead of time. At times these things will happen. At least that was the case with us. I say if you're forced into such a thing, then I would just suck it up and do the best job I can. Now if I had another client who booked that venue and contacted me about doing there event there, I would more then likely pass depending on how things turned out before.

Let me ask this of the members here. Have you been put in such a position? If you were put in that position, how did things turn out and what was your take on doing the event in such a situation?
 
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Proformance

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If this were presented upon my arrival I would hand it back it to them blank. It is an agreement they have to reach with the client not me. It's also a material disclosure that the law requires them to have made to the client in advance of any deposit received, and if I wasn't informed prior to arriving - then I shouldn't assume the client is already aware until I learn directly from them.

I'm not saying I have a problem accommodating noise restraints, but what's really important about this is to know where the responsibility lies and to KEEP IT THERE. No matter what we think or how provocative anyone at the venue might behave - we simply wait and let the client make the decisions that are theirs, and theirs alone.

If the venue takes issue at all with that, they'll have to wait and address that with the client because regardless of any demands or threats I'm remaining in place as a guest under the contract they made with that same client. The client is the ONLY person who can release me from our agreement, or add/change any conditions. There is no reason or cause for me to sign that form, I am not working for them and I have no direct relationship or obligation to the venue, No agreement exists between us, and they will have to address their issues through the client from whom I take direction. Until the client tells me: "Yeah, do whatever the venue needs.." we simply wait.
 
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