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steve149 said:
Remember that it may be spiking simply because you need to rebuild the database .. so it's doing it song by song (analyzing BPM, cue point info, etc.). Pre-analyse the tracks and the load spike should lessen.

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That pc doesn't have a surge protector on other the the monster pro 3000. I have bad power service here and I have lost many electronics because of power drop outs So I am one by one by one putting an APC power ups on my PC's gradually. TV to help keep the power serge's and brown outs and just plane power outages from damaging my sensitive equipment. I have there 3 APC BN15000 900 watt 150 nim run time so they don't get hit and are protected From power serge, brown out or just power failure. So far every one that I have one has never failed . It gives me time to shut them down properly so I can save my work. I don't have one on that old pc yet but I will get one when the budget allows.

The problem I have is the power goes off and everything just shuts down. Then the power comes back on and I reboot. and the pc says do not shut down till windows reconfigure while it rebooting. Then the power shuts off while it reconfigureing. and it screws up the BIO's before it's finished.
Power ups keeps them running so I can shut down safely
The one on this pc gives me 97 min to shut down and is set to do it automatically if I'm not home once it get down to 10 min left of power.
The same on the one on my security system it gives me 106 min to keep running after the power goes out and it to will save the data about 10 before shutting down If I'm not home. I need one more to put on my music pc so to to can save and shut down safely.
So far the ones I'm using have saved my equipment many times.They also protect your TV coax and internet connection from power spikes.
There designed to supply a pure sign wave and when the power goes out my pc and TV and modem and security never even blink.
When out power goes out you never know if it's gonna last 2 min or all day When the power goes out and pc shut down improperly the try to re boot only to get hit again kinda screws things up. Now there only good for 900 watts so you can have your amps and other high draw things hooked up to them but It will save you low power electronics from damage.


These are what I am using now for protection
www.officedepot.com

APC Back UPS Pro 10 Outlet Tower Uninterruptible Power Supply 1500VA900 Watts BN1500M2 - Office Depot

Designed for small and medium offices this UPS helps keep delicate electronics protected in the event of a power spike or surge. The battery backup also keeps critical devices powered up and running if an emergency strikes allowing you to keep going until the local power supply can be restored.
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That pc doesn't have a surge protector on other the the monster pro 3000. I have bad power service here and I have lost many electronics because of power drop outs So I am one by one by one putting an APC power ups on my PC's gradually. TV to help keep the power serge's and brown outs and just plane power outages from damaging my sensitive equipment. I have there 3 APC BN15000 900 watt 150 nim run time so they don't get hit and are protected From power serge, brown out or just power failure. So far every one that I have one has never failed . It gives me time to shut them down properly so I can save my work. I don't have one on that old pc yet but I will get one when the budget allows.

The problem I have is the power goes off and everything just shuts down. Then the power comes back on and I reboot. and the pc says do not shut down till windows reconfigure while it rebooting. Then the power shuts off while it reconfigureing. and it screws up the BIO's before it's finished.
Power ups keeps them running so I can shut down safely
The one on this pc gives me 97 min to shut down and is set to do it automatically if I'm not home once it get down to 10 min left of power.
The same on the one on my security system it gives me 106 min to keep running after the power goes out and it to will save the data about 10 before shutting down If I'm not home. I need one more to put on my music pc so to to can save and shut down safely.
So far the ones I'm using have saved my equipment many times.They also protect your TV coax and internet connection from power spikes.
There designed to supply a pure sign wave and when the power goes out my pc and TV and modem and security never even blink.
When out power goes out you never know if it's gonna last 2 min or all day When the power goes out and pc shut down improperly the try to re boot only to get hit again kinda screws things up. Now there only good for 900 watts so you can have your amps and other high draw things hooked up to them but It will save you low power electronics from damage.


These are what I am using now for protection
www.officedepot.com

APC Back UPS Pro 10 Outlet Tower Uninterruptible Power Supply 1500VA900 Watts BN1500M2 - Office Depot

Designed for small and medium offices this UPS helps keep delicate electronics protected in the event of a power spike or surge. The battery backup also keeps critical devices powered up and running if an emergency strikes allowing you to keep going until the local power supply can be restored.
www.officedepot.com www.officedepot.com
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I ment CPU utilization spiking while loading songs .. power should never be spiking unless there is a problem.
 
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I ment CPU utilization spiking while loading songs .. power should never be spiking unless there is a problem.
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Yes I understand but power outages and additional outages while re booting may have caused some of the the problems that pc is having.
Once I get the bugs worked out, I'll put an APC unit on it so it may save it from happening again.
I'll have to get my nefew to check the CPU issue as I'm not good with how to config the CPU on my own.
I'm just saying if I can protect it from happening again with an APC installed.
 
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Yes I understand but power outages and additional outages while re booting may have caused some of the the problems that pc is having.
Once I get the bugs worked out, I'll put an APC unit on it so it may save it from happening again.
I'll have to get my nefew to check the CPU issue as I'm not good with how to config the CPU on my own.
I'm just saying if I can protect it from happening again with an APC installed.
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While it might help a desktop PC, it will not do much for a laptop with a good battery. Try it yourself. Unplug and plug back in the laptops external power supply as many times as you like with the laptop powered on, and you might see the screen dim a little, but that's about all that should happen if it has a good battery. Plus, look at the specs for it's input voltage (you might need a magnifying glass!!) - mine reads 100 to 240 VAC, 50 to 60 Hz for it to work properly. If the AC power at the place you're gigging is outside that range, your laptop will be the least of your problems.

Steve is 100% correct on analyzing your music (probably mp3 files) before the gig to reduce CPU load. In addition, some DJ software also scans for corrupt files at the same time. In general, this and other tricks all fall under "optimizing your laptop", so it NEVER throws up during a gig.
 
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While it might help a desktop PC, it will not do much for a laptop with a good battery. Try it yourself. Unplug and plug back in the laptops external power supply as many times as you like with the laptop powered on, and you might see the screen dim a little, but that's about all that should happen if it has a good battery. Plus, look at the specs for it's input voltage (you might need a magnifying glass!!) - mine reads 100 to 240 VAC, 50 to 60 Hz for it to work properly. If the AC power at the place you're gigging is outside that range, your laptop will be the least of your problems.

Steve is 100% correct on analyzing your music (probably mp3 files) before the gig to reduce CPU load. In addition, some DJ software also scans for corrupt files at the same time. In general, this and other tricks all fall under "optimizing your laptop", so it NEVER throws up during a gig.
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I'm not giging and don't plan to. I did live sound where a PC was never used. I did get into doing some rave stuff but I was just basically renting out my PA rig and I had other dj's that brought there own pc and controllers and music library's. I'm not a dj and don't aspire to be. It's a different skill set that I don't have and I'm no master of ceremony's. I'm a guitar player that got stuck running live sound and did well at that. I can run a multi channel live board and make a band sound pretty decent. When asked I can step in and play guitar on stage pretty well as long as the songs are in my memory and I can remember how to play them. I can even wing it a lot of the time if I don't know exactly how the song goes. I can't sing worth a ch!t but I can rip on a guitar if asked and I can make a band sound good. But Dj'ing no thats not in my skill set. I'm sure if I worked at it I could DJ a set or two but I'm far from a master of ceremony's. I'm no front man ether, I'm fine with a stage with 3/4/5 other players, but I'm no front man. I do better working more behind the scenes. I have a real good ear for hearing issues a PA system may be having and I know how to fix it. I can tweak a system and get the most out of it. That is my skill set. But this PC stuff is not in my skill set. Thats part of why my user handle is old school. I don't have the skills to tweak a PC but I can a PA system. I don't do as well with digital boards because there more like a PC based unit. I like analog boards and gear that have a button or knob that I can see in real time at a glance. Digital boards have few buttons and lots of menu's that are hidden and they are much harder for me to use because I forget where things are and how to access them.

Thats why I only need a home use dj music player, I can load a song list and hit play and walk away and let the player do it's thing. I hate the radio because of all the adds and commercials and BS the dj talks about. When I want to hear music, thats all I want to hear is the music not all the BS that goes with radio.
 
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Yes I understand but power outages and additional outages while re booting may have caused some of the the problems that pc is having.
Once I get the bugs worked out, I'll put an APC unit on it so it may save it from happening again.
I'll have to get my nefew to check the CPU issue as I'm not good with how to config the CPU on my own.
I'm just saying if I can protect it from happening again with an APC installed.
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Instead of the battery unit if you want to save a few bucks try one of these. They will handle any spikes or drops. They saved me a few times now

Furman M-8X2 Merit Series 8 Outlet Power Conditioner and Surge Protector: Amazon.ca: Musical Instruments, Stage & Studio

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Handinon said:
While it might help a desktop PC, it will not do much for a laptop with a good battery. Try it yourself. Unplug and plug back in the laptops external power supply as many times as you like with the laptop powered on, and you might see the screen dim a little, but that's about all that should happen if it has a good battery. Plus, look at the specs for it's input voltage (you might need a magnifying glass!!) - mine reads 100 to 240 VAC, 50 to 60 Hz for it to work properly. If the AC power at the place you're gigging is outside that range, your laptop will be the least of your problems.

Steve is 100% correct on analyzing your music (probably mp3 files) before the gig to reduce CPU load. In addition, some DJ software also scans for corrupt files at the same time. In general, this and other tricks all fall under "optimizing your laptop", so it NEVER throws up during a gig.
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So can you explain how to analyses a song before I load into a play list that might help keep my player from spiking? Or at least analyses a song before I load it in another player. With vdj2020 like vdj7 pro I have it set for 2 players. If a song is playing on one player and I load one in the second player the UPC bar spikes till the song is loaded. With short songs it loads pretty fast so it only spikes for a few seconds but with longer songs like pre mixed techno EDM trax that may take about a full min to load. Can you give me some pointers here on how to pre analyses them first before I load them in the player?
 
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So can you explain how to analyses a song before I load into a play list that might help keep my player from spiking? Or at least analyses a song before I load it in another player. With vdj2020 like vdj7 pro I have it set for 2 players. If a song is playing on one player and I load one in the second player the UPC bar spikes till the song is loaded. With short songs it loads pretty fast so it only spikes for a few seconds but with longer songs like pre mixed techno EDM trax that may take about a full min to load. Can you give me some pointers here on how to pre analyses them first before I load them in the player?
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I posted a link to a video tutorial above ..
 
steve149 said:
I posted a link to a video tutorial above ..
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Right at the top of this page in your reply to Steve. However, before you do this, make a backup copy of your Library in case something goes wrong - you should always have a backup anyway.
 
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Right at the top of this page in your reply to Steve. However, before you do this, make a backup copy of your Library in case something goes wrong - you should always have a backup anyway.
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Ok thanks when I have some time I'll transfer some music to a spare HD and try it. I have about 6 TB of music all in WAVE format and the last time I did a full transfer of all my music to a HD it took about 24 or hours.or longer to transfer all the files. I'll see if I can find a spare HD and only try it with a few files first to see if it will work.. I have thousands of CD's that I have been collecting over many years, I buy them from pawn shops, yard sales and Goodwill stores for a buck a CD. Many of them are the best of the hits so it's taken years to correctly file then by category one CD at a time. I'll buy a stack of 100 CD's at a pawn shop for a buck a piece and while I'm doing other things I'll rip them on a HD then go through and categorize them. After I have ripped them I box them up and put them is storage so I always have the original disk. From what I understand as long as you keep the original disk it keeps you legal to use them at a gig if I decided to gig with them. It doesn't mater if I payed full price for the original disk, just that i still have them in my possession it keeps me legal . I probably have 2000 CD's. So many so that I have a hard time remembering if I already have one. when I go CD shopping.
I'll go into a pawn shop that has a wall full of CD's and they will ask 2/3 and up 5 dollars each. But If I offer to buy a 100 or more I'l pay a buck a piece and most times they say go for it. I'll spend hours thumbing through hundreds of CD's culling out the ones I want. I have a 6 TB HD full of nothing but music ripped in wave form. So I have a fairly extensive collection that I only paid a buck each for. Screw paying a buck a song when I can get the whole CD for a buck. Yard sales are the next best thing for buying bulk collections. Many of them are moving and just don't want to take them with them so they are glad to ge rid of them all in one shot. Culling through and opening each disk cover to make sure they have the original disk but it' the cheapest way to collect a large collection and dirt cheap prices. You have to watch out for the promo disk that only have one or 2 songs on them. But I have a large collection going from the 40's all the way up to new releases of all genres.
So I'll do a small test run on a spare HD to see if it works. Thanks.
I have about 10 spare HD's from 500 MB to my master that is a 10 TB HD that holds every music CD i have ripped. It's taken years to do so I'll start on a small sample first. But thanks for the tip. HD's use to be expensive but now the prices have gone down to a more affordable price and with USB 3 cable over the slower USB 2 cable it's speeds it up quite a bit. Solid state HD are still to expensive at this point but in time there prices will come down to. Some day when the prices come down on solid state HD's the transfer rate will be much faster and with no moving parts they should last longer. It took years to collect rip and categorize so I'll proceed with caution. Once a disk is full, I don't leave the plugged in. I put them in a padded case and store them to hopefully keep them safe from corruption. We are talking years of work so no since getting careless.


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oldschool said:
I have about 6 TB of music all in WAVE format
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Now I'm positive that it is your PC specs that are the problem. WAV files are very large and too much for it to handle.
Before you go through hours of backup, scanning, etc., throw a handful of mp3 files into the drive and try VDJ again. If there's no issue, you have your answer.

Honestly, you do not need a bulky software like VDJ to act as a home jukebox. Try you WAV files with one of the programs I mentioned earlier and see what happens. Take the shortest road to a solution first. More often than not, it's the right one.
 
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I have about 6 TB of music all in WAVE format
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Very nice, but I'm going to toss out another option. I don't know how old you are (I'm 73) and that while you have no inclinations to DJ now, I've learned that NEVER and ALWAYS are not real words - you may change your mind. Sooooo..............

Keep your 6 TB of WAV files as your permanent backup and create a new Library, but not an exact copy per say, but convert them to 320 CBR mp3's (like Hank suggested, but I'm talking ALL your files). This then will be the one you Analyze and use daily. It will save HD space and, far more important IMHO, will allow both you, and the analyzing software, to write to Tags (a small data container) that are buried right in the mp3's - something that was never done with WAV files.

This seemingly monumental task can be easily done by a free program like Audacity, using it's Batch Conversion process. You might need to enlist the help of your Nephew (or the 13 year old who does my SmartPhone), but this is do-able.
 
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