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Handinon

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This probably effects few (or none) on this Board, but just for the record -
"As of July 1, 2020 Spotify will no longer be playable through 3rd party DJ apps."
 

steve149

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Maybe not "linked" like in Algoriddim, but can always be played through a channel.
 

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It does beg a question .. as a fill-in service for requests, what is the best service (if there is one).

I get most things via my pool (idjpool.com), and have a decent back catalog, but still get requests for outliers. I have a Spotify Premium subscription, which fills most of the holes, but I find that many Spotify cuts are special re-masters that were probably done so artists get more of the pie from their publishers. Unfortunately, many don't sound as good.

I also see that there are some DJ apps linking to SoundCloud Go+ .. but that seems to be highly tilted toward mixes, rather than original cuts.

Is Tidal a viable option .. do people prefer other services?
 
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As one who does not use Spotify (always BUY my music from Google Play), what does this mean?
Algoriddim Djay apps (they have apps for pcs, macs, tablets) allowed you to integrate Spotify directly with other music sources so you could mix seamlessly between them. Spotify pulled the plug on the integration, so Algoriddim went and integrated to SoundCloud and Tidal.

Not aware of other apps that integrated with Spotify, but there are other apps that integrate with SoundCloud and possibly Tidal.

Tis the future ...
 

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Algoriddim Djay apps (they have apps for pcs, macs, tablets) allowed you to integrate Spotify directly with other music sources so you could mix seamlessly between them. Spotify pulled the plug on the integration, so Algoriddim went and integrated to SoundCloud and Tidal.
Next question...why??
 
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Next question...why??
Most consumers have abandoned physical CDs, so a lot of new stuff, especially mixes, are only available via streaming services. So it makes sense for DJ apps to integrate with those services as alternative music sources (Serato, Rekordbox and Traktor already do with SoundCloud Go).

For me, I keep an iPad running with Spotify for the occasional request that I don't have an mp3 for. I use Spotify Premium which allows me to cache up specific playlists and artists for offline playing if needed.

**update - VDJ and PCDJ also integrate with SoundCloud Go+
 
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I purchased djay Pro because it integrated with Spotify. I used it once for a party I had at home as an experiment. It was nice for that purpose but I never put my whole VDJ library into djay Pro.
 
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I use Spotify personally for listening, as well as emergency back up situations if they arise.

This won't impact anything I'm doing. But I do think it will become increasingly difficult to build a back catalog of MP3s for DJs that are starting out. Record pools aren't supposed to carry anything but new stuff. Lots of them exist in a gray area (DMS, BPM Supreme, Bar Bangerz) where the labels seem to be turning a blind eye even though they could shut them down if they wanted.

I think over the next few years it will become difficult to find vendors that sell older mp3s.

I'm hoping Amazon stays in that business even though I'm sure they don't make much from it.
 

DJ Ricky B

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I have used DJAY Pro with Spotify at a few events, and I liked being able to do so.

Will SoundCloud Go have access to all the same music as Spotify?
 
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I have used DJAY Pro with Spotify at a few events, and I liked being able to do so.

Will SoundCloud Go have access to all the same music as Spotify?
Tidal will probably be closer to Spotify .. SoundCloud Go+ will have a lot of music, but is focused on the music maker.
 

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But I do think it will become increasingly difficult to build a back catalog of MP3s for DJs that are starting out.
They will have to do it exactly the we've always done it - they will have to purchase music to create that library. That's a whole lot less expensive to do today than it was in the CD or Vinyl era.

The advantage today is that they can buy just the downloads that makes the most sense. For example, the entire greatest hits album of Michael Jackson, and just the single "Lady in Red" by Chris Deburgh. The can also get compilations of oldies and one hit wonders or whole decades collections.

They also have the luxury of doing it over time and for specific events, buying only what is necessary for the current schedule of events. Most new DJs start out playing for their peer group - for which a pool will easily set them up. With each new gig that steps outside their comfort zone the DJ can work with that client to determine a specific playlist. That playlist accomplishes two things - it results in a happy customer and at the same time educates the DJ with regard to classic and older hits they may not have been familiar with.
 
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They will have to do it exactly the we've always done it - they will have to purchase music to create that library. That's a whole lot less expensive to do today than it was in the CD or Vinyl era.

The advantage today is that they can buy just the downloads that makes the most sense. For example, the entire greatest hits album of Michael Jackson, and just the single "Lady in Red" by Chris Deburgh. The can also get compilations of oldies and one hit wonders or whole decades collections.

They also have the luxury of doing it over time and for specific events, buying only what is necessary for the current schedule of events. Most new DJs start out playing for their peer group - for which a pool will easily set them up. With each new gig that steps outside their comfort zone the DJ can work with that client to determine a specific playlist. That playlist accomplishes two things - it results in a happy customer and at the same time educates the DJ with regard to classic and older hits they may not have been familiar with.
I realize I mentioned the record pools. But I'm worried about the ability to actual purchase the media going away. Apple is already leaving (left?) that business.

The record pools are nice because having an intro, quick hitter, acapella in/out, etc. make it much easier to mix a faster and dynamic set. Those tools are very difficult for the average DJ to create on their own. And those tools simply aren't available commercially, even if I wish they were.

But as the world moves more towards streaming for consumption, I think there will be far less providers of the actual media because demand is dropping off a cliff.
 

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If I already didn't have 22k songs on my phone all of which I've purchased, I would consider Spotify.

But re-creating even half of that through Spotify would be a monster of a task.
 
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But I'm worried about the ability to actual purchase the media going away. But as the world moves more towards streaming for consumption, I think there will be far less providers of the actual media because demand is dropping off a cliff.
Now that worries me!
 
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Proformance

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I realize I mentioned the record pools. But I'm worried about the ability to actual purchase the media going away. Apple is already leaving (left?) that business.

The record pools are nice because having an intro, quick hitter, acapella in/out, etc. make it much easier to mix a faster and dynamic set. Those tools are very difficult for the average DJ to create on their own. And those tools simply aren't available commercially, even if I wish they were.

But as the world moves more towards streaming for consumption, I think there will be far less providers of the actual media because demand is dropping off a cliff.
There's always going to a source. Players come and go, new ones emerge.

The "average" DJ has no real use for the dub and a Capella versions of a song which is why they only turn up on pools. Those are useful in clubs to keep the regulars form getting bored with the mix - which is driven repeatedly by new releases and current hits.

The mobile market is different and you really want to be mixing more music in less time rather than more bits and pieces. I realize there's a lot of this being done on radio mix shows but that DJ is spinning to an empty studio and honestly most of it sounds like total crap. You'll get a far better reaction and following if you're able to mix more of the songs people want exactly the way the expect to hear them. Remixing to a live audience that is not already high on drugs is a bad idea.
 

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The "average" DJ has no real use for the dub and a Capella versions of a song which is why they only turn up on pools. Those are useful in clubs to keep the regulars form getting bored with the mix - which is driven repeatedly by new releases and current hits.

The mobile market is different and you really want to be mixing more music in less time rather than more bits and pieces. I realize there's a lot of this being done on radio mix shows but that DJ is spinning to an empty studio and honestly most of it sounds like total crap. You'll get a far better reaction and following if you're able to mix more of the songs people want exactly the way the expect to hear them. Remixing to a live audience that is not already high on drugs is a bad idea.
I think there are more than enough mobile DJs playing the full version of songs as they appeared on radio. And while I certainly don't think I go overboard with remixes in a wedding environment, using them tastefully and other tools to get into and out of songs creatively works. As does some selective word play and other fun ways to not sound like exactly every other wedding DJ in town.
 
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DJ Ricky B

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I don't think it really matters much because 99.8% of all new music that makes the Hot 100 charts is pure crap, and not worth paying to download any way.

I think I played less than 10 songs that came out in 2019, and also less than 10 songs that came out in 2018. I might be able to say the same for 2017 as well. ...Only 30 songs for the last 3 years, and more than half of those songs were played ONE TIME at ONE EVENT.

Most of my events are weddings, and only a little in newer music is requested.
 
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djmagicmoments

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We ONLY use DJPro (Algoriddum) and own our music, so the Spotify integration is no big deal. I do like the fact they now integrate with Tidal, so we can play Music Videos, as needed. Again, not a big deal.
 
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