So you hate the scratching and "fapping"?

djcrazychris

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And let's differentiate between "mixing" (transitioning, beat matching, etc.) and CREATING sounds via scratching and crossfader twaddling. Mixing, cues, etc. are important tools ... scratching, etc. not so much for the "mobile jock" (unless you have a club loving crowd).
My original point is... whether you scratch or not....you wouldnt have been blessed with serato (atleast many years earlier than you did) without the need of those guys who do... you'd be lugging cds

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steve149

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Got to remember the first digital apps (the PCDJ predecessor was one of the first in 1999) DID NOT have the means to do anything but playback music ...

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ittigger

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if we were all hibachi chefs... doing our onion volcanoes....and one of us just pattied out meat and made hamburgers....sure they are feeding their customer... but why become a hibachi chef if you have no plans of creating exciting asian food with a dazzling display of skill.... just seems to be a disservice to a customer who came for hibachi

at the end of the day....its easier to decide in your mind that the client doesnt want it...because thats much easier on you... u never have to learn the skill...

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I don't disagree - and there are Hibachi chef's that can't or won't do that. Instead they do something else. Can all Hibachi chefs balance an egg on the tip of the spatula? Of course not. These 'options' are tools in the belt but they are not the only tools.
 
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ittigger

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As for this part:
at the end of the day....its easier to decide in your mind that the client doesnt want it...because thats much easier on you... u never have to learn the skill...
I don't believe that at all. I go to Hibachi to see entertainment and eat good food - not to see an onion volcano. If we all made onion volcanos, how exciting would that be? Maybe what others can do in the kitchen is just as entertaining - just in a different way. If you're entertained, does it really matter how?
 
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steve149

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As for this part:

I don't believe that at all. I go to Hibachi to see entertainment and eat good food - not to see an onion volcano.
Onion volcanoes and shrimp hulls in someone's pocket are staples ..
 

djcrazychris

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Don't get too excited - that was all you could do. ;)
and bare in mind thats years after the original dj scratching softwares were developed... just because the newer knockoffs didnt have scratching didnt mean the technology didnt have its roots in the original software development with scratching as the intention

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steve149

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and bare in mind thats years after the original dj scratching softwares were developed... just because the newer knockoffs didnt have scratching didnt mean the technology didnt have its roots in the original software development with scratching as the intention

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The "original" software apps were for playback .. scratching capability and external controllers were years later.
 
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djcrazychris

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That might not end well. ;)

Again, if we all made onion volcanos, how exciting would that be? Maybe what others can do in the kitchen is just as entertaining - just in a different way. If you're entertained, does it really matter how?
i guess my point is... why not have a large toolbox instead of trying to do everything with a hammer

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Ausumm

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if we were all hibachi chefs... doing our onion volcanoes....and one of us just pattied out meat and made hamburgers....sure they are feeding their customer... but why become a hibachi chef if you have no plans of creating exciting asian food with a dazzling display of skill....
But if you only cook for vegans, or people who don't want Asian food...
many of the skills you have will go un-used.

at the end of the day....its easier to decide in your mind that the client doesnt want it...because thats much easier on you... u never have to learn the skill...
Many of us have learned the skill, but just don't have the need for it.
No one is trying to defend their denial by saying their clients don't want it.
No one is saying that's it's a worthless skill.
So please don't include me in your blanket statements....
because it just isn't true.
 
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steve149

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you sure youve done the proper research? lol

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I am ... Serato's first live product was SSL in 2004 .. before that it made studio software. The first mobile apps were Atomix' MP3 app and the PCDJ predecessor (both circa 1999). There were some single deck music players before that.

note: PC hardware was limited before that .. couldn't really carry much of a library on a 1Gb disc ...
 
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wifedj

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lol...With the scratching capabilities came bpm changing and bending technology... a must have for even mobile dj's with the need to beatmatch via a controller...

sure you could play an mp3 off a computer in the mid 90s... but could you manipulate it in any way...no

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My first "WOW, that can't be true" moment regarding cd "controllers" was being told in 198haurmpf something that Technics had created a cd player that had the capacity to greatly adjust a song's tempo/bpm without impacting the songs key (specifically the vocals).

I was a non-believer until I got my paws on one of these...and the rest is beat-mixing/equipment upgrading history:
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It wasn't perfect but I'll be GD if it wasn't a paradigm shift in my acceptance of digital/CD (now mp3) manipulation and mixing.

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Yeah, I f'n old, KMA! LOL
 
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adj2ent

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Research? quite a few of us guys were actually there when it all actually happened. I remember learning how to scratch with records in the 70s and seeing Grandmaster Flash when it first started. Even back then there were DJs that scratched & those who didn’t. There were those who beat mixed and those days who didn’t. It all depends and the location & audience. All I would consider all of them DJs. DJ software came out way before Serato DJ software. Virtual DJ & PCDJ were two I remember testing when I first started using the computer to DJ. I chose VDJ all ended up using it for DJ, Karaoke & Video. I can’t remember all capabilities but the limiting factors first was the laptops and storage. Everything is a little fuzzy from 1990’s to 2000 but I remember going from burning CDs, using Adobe premiere doing digital video editing, creating DVDs and having a that capability in a laptop by 2001. The issues of not being able to scratch when we first started using CDs by recording scratches on CD and then playing them. The real big issue with the early CD players was not having instant start. When the first CD players came out they didn’t have that feature except maybe for the Panasonic or players design for the radio stations.
 

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My first "WOW, that can't be true" moment regarding cd "controllers" was being told in 198haurmpf something that Technics had created a cd player that had the capacity to greatly adjust a song's tempo/bpm without impacting the songs key (specifically the vocals).

I was a non-believer until I got my paws on one of these...and the rest is beat-mixing/equipment upgrading history:
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It wasn't perfect but I'll be GD if it wasn't a paradigm shift in my acceptance of digital/CD (now mp3) manipulation and mixing.

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Yeah, I f'n old, KMA! LOL
There's a few available on eBay if you're feeling nostalgic ..


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