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steve149

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Sep 26, 2011
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I want half off VDJ or PCDJ Dex
 
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steve149

Veni, Vidi, Lusi
Sep 26, 2011
31,587
Prospect, CT
You can also get Mixxx 2.0 for 50% off it's regular price as well.
Do the math.
Mixxx doesn't do karaoke .. so even at free, I'd prefer to pay for an all-in-one solution ..
 

DJ Bobcat

DJ Extraordinerror
Nov 8, 2014
10,528
Oklahoma City
I really need to try Mixx again. It has been a while and I’d like to see if it has progressed. As I recall; when I tried it a few years ago, it had trouble with the Intel graphics driver in my main DJ computer. I don’t use that computer anymore, so it would likely be OK. I don’t use a laptop, but I think the software developers make sure the software runs on laptops before they test it on desktop computers, because they assume most DJ’s use laptop computers.


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Handinon

DJ Extraordinaire
Oct 1, 2014
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Mixxx is now up to V2.2 - a good program that has fallen behind in a few key areas - the use of "color" in the library browser, and the ability to assign names to hot ques. What's almost as bad is, when you bring it to their attention (which I have), the Linux mindset surfaces that it's someone else's responsibility/problem in the development chain.

Hey, but it's free.
 

Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
What's almost as bad is, when you bring it to their attention (which I have), the Linux mindset surfaces that it's someone else's responsibility/problem in the development chain.

Hey, but it's free.
Mixx is open source which is not the same thing as "free." Feedback is one thing but, It's arrogant to expect other people to cater to your personal coding preferences if you yourself aren't participating in the development.

The thing about Serato is that it will ALWAYS be on sale - it's inevitable future is as the loss leader for Serato hardware. The future of sales in the DJ arena relies on the device-centric mentality of today's younger crowd who jump at every phone upgrade or new gadget and will keep buying new DJ hardware.

There is a practical ceiling on the functionality of DJ software but, limitless potential for the fashion potential of trendy new DJ gadgets that light up or make the task look more complicated than it actually is. Most DJs today are fixated on how they look rather than how they sound. This is the primary reason that DJ equipment is no longer designed around standard EIA rack configurations - because it is designed as portable personal accoutrements rather than "gear."

If I had a nickel for every DJ who's not even aware of how to use half the features of their boards I'd be insanely wealthy. :)
 
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Handinon

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Mixx is open source which is not the same thing as "free." Feedback is one thing but, It's arrogant to expect other people to cater to your personal coding preferences if you yourself aren't participating in the development.
From Mixxx's homepage - "Free and open source DJ software for Windows, macOS, and Linux". The problem with FOSS, and what usually separates it the most from commercial software, is user friendliness (i.e. GIMP and Photoshop). There are some common expectations in DJ software, such as the ability to pre-listen or preview songs. As we approach 2019, the ability to color code in the library browser, and the ability to assign names to hot cues, is also expected from a program that tout's itself as DJ software, by many, not just me. This ain't supposed to be your Grandfather's WinAmp.

If you follow the Mixxx Forums, you can see how the developers direction's vacillate. For example, they will still do much to facilitate Mixxx's Broadcast abilities.
None the less, if by V3.0 they have not implemented browser color coding and cue naming, I'll be right back on their Forum with a (IMHO) well deserved - and arrogant - poke in the eye.
 
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steve149

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Sep 26, 2011
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Prospect, CT
From Mixxx's homepage - "Free and open source DJ software for Windows, macOS, and Linux". The problem with FOSS, and what usually separates it the most from commercial software, is user friendliness (i.e. GIMP and Photoshop). There are some common expectations in DJ software, such as the ability to pre-listen or preview songs. As we approach 2019, the ability to color code in the library browser, and the ability to assign names to hot cues, is also expected from a program that tout's itself as DJ software, by many, not just me. This ain't supposed to be your Grandfather's WinAmp.

If you follow the Mixxx Forums, you can see how the developers direction's vacillate. For example, they will still do much to facilitate Mixxx's Broadcast abilities.
None the less, if by V3.0 they have not implemented browser color coding and cue naming, I'll be right back on their Forum with a (IMHO) well deserved - and arrogant - poke in the eye.
I'll agree with Pro that development of Free software usually means "at the discretion and direction of the programmers" .. NOT the users.
 
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Handinon

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I'll agree with Pro that development of Free software usually means "at the discretion and direction of the programmers" .. NOT the users.
Not to be miss-understood, I completely agree with him also. However, it's been my experience in life that everyone in an organization, from the bottom to the top, benefits from a periodic kick in the ass.
 
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steve149

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Sep 26, 2011
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Not to be miss-understood, I completely agree with him also. However, it's been my experience in life that everyone in an organization, from the bottom to the top, benefits from a periodic kick in the ass.
Mine too, though it's also been experienced that some kick back .. :)
 

Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
From Mixxx's homepage - "Free and open source DJ software for Windows, macOS, and Linux". The problem with FOSS, and what usually separates it the most from commercial software, is user friendliness (i.e. GIMP and Photoshop). There are some common expectations in DJ software, such as the ability to pre-listen or preview songs. As we approach 2019, the ability to color code in the library browser, and the ability to assign names to hot cues, is also expected from a program that tout's itself as DJ software, by many, not just me. This ain't supposed to be your Grandfather's WinAmp.

If you follow the Mixxx Forums, you can see how the developers direction's vacillate. For example, they will still do much to facilitate Mixxx's Broadcast abilities.
None the less, if by V3.0 they have not implemented browser color coding and cue naming, I'll be right back on their Forum with a (IMHO) well deserved - and arrogant - poke in the eye.
If you consider your own observations about what developers prioritize you might recognize that you have misplaced yourself as a target user. Your version of "DJ" is probably not consistent with where this development is headed.
 

Handinon

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Oct 1, 2014
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If you consider your own observations about what developers prioritize you might recognize that you have misplaced yourself as a target user. Your version of "DJ" is probably not consistent with where this development is headed.
No doubt. I actually don't use Mixxx at gigs, but I try to stay current with it because I frequently recommend it (since it's no cost)to aspiring DJ's, and it does run on just about anything.
 

steve149

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Sep 26, 2011
31,587
Prospect, CT
I do have a hard time taking seriously, something called Mix...
 
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Proformance

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Nov 6, 2006
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No doubt. I actually don't use Mixxx at gigs, but I try to stay current with it because I frequently recommend it (since it's no cost)to aspiring DJ's, and it does run on just about anything.
This is the most important fact you have overlooked. It is contrary to the purpose of an open source project to create something that is not "open" to a broad spectrum of users at all technological and economic levels.

Mixx is not a free copy of Serato - and one should not be looking to open source developers to provide that for them.
 

Handinon

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This is the most important fact you have overlooked. It is contrary to the purpose of an open source project to create something that is not "open" to a broad spectrum of users at all technological and economic levels.

Mixx is not a free copy of Serato - and one should not be looking to open source developers to provide that for them.
Here I disagree - and it comes down to the "Catch 22" that most really good DJ's don't know how to code, and most really good Programmers don't DJ. This leads to a lot of "what were they thinking" moments in all DJ software, commercial as well a Mixxx. One need only look at the way AutoPlay is implemented in Mixvibes Cross to know this wasn't done by someone who actually DJ's. We should all be critical of this - it makes no sense to have software developers work in a vacuum.

I have been active (or as you say, arrogant) on four DJ software Forums because of this - Serato, Traktor, Mixvibes, and Mixxx. These are the exact words I used on the Traktor Forum in a thread about colors in the library browser -

"This is my first post to the Forum. As per the Forum Rules, I searched for the appropriate thread, so as not to create a duplicate, and I believe this is it.
Looks like this thread was started almost 5 years ago - although the requests might be actually older - a request for Colors to better show songs played (like Serato), and/or a column that can have a color inserted (for whatever reason) like Serato, Mixvibes Cross, and others.
Now, 2017, and nothing. Frankly, this is just plain stupid."

I think the just plain stupid remark woke someone up - the very next release had colors in the library browser!!
 

Proformance

DJ Extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2006
3,252
I don't think you woke anyone up by calling them stupid, merely painted yourself with entitlement. Demanding that volunteer developers copycat the features of another trademarked product (Serato) is also quite transparent.

You're not the first or only person to have any of these ideas, and being indignant about them won't qualify you for any credit when they are adopted.

You're also quite wrong about coders not being DJs and vice versa. The disc-jockey field today is largely populated by IT people rather than musicians and creative art types. (Part of the reason why CHR is so crappy and EDM floods the mainstream.) Mobiles in partcular - are more likely to come from the IT sector than from the creative or technical arts. Check the full-time employment of most members on this site - and you'll find a lot of IT people.

The Mixx project is the child of disc jockeys and DJ enthusiasts who also happen to be programmers and this cannot be overlooked. Features evolve from the very real priorities of it's development team, and interested user feedback. It is NOT driven by the demands of DJs looking for a free pirate version of other trademarked brands.
 
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steve149

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Sep 26, 2011
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Prospect, CT
What's eye-tea?
 
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Handinon

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Oct 1, 2014
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I don't think you woke anyone up by calling them stupid, merely painted yourself with entitlement. Demanding that volunteer developers copycat the features of another trademarked product (Serato) is also quite transparent.
Management 101 - judge the action, not the person - if you think I called someone stupid, I'd suggest you read it again.

You keep coming back to Serato, so I'm not sure if you have a vested interest there. Without going into specifics, I can assure you I've been just as critical of them as well on their forum, when it has seemed appropriate.

At this point I think it is best to agree to disagree, we're beating a dead horse, and we're probably boring everyone else to death - final word over to you.
 
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