Rebuilding My Music Library

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DJ Bobcat said:
However, I can’t see myself relying on any other source from which to play music at paid DJ gigs any time soon, ... I’m gonna go ahead and clean up my DJ music library anyway, just because it will make it easier for me to maintain it going forward, and because... well... because I can.
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I too, prefer a local copy. PLAYING a song however, is what makes me a DJ and I now care much less about the source than I used to. Unlimited content is already a reality and I think our time is too precious to waste on this endeavor. Carpe Diem.

If you do clean it up - do it as you say: "going forward" while you are actively using it and don't set aside valuable time just to reorganize the already organized vault. I would also question your assumption that "maintenance" and "going forward" belong in the same sentence.
 
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ittigger said:
It's called Ethics - of which you appear to display none with that statement. The tax man isn't going door to door either - should you not pay your taxes? You seem to like to try to change sides. You can't both enforce what the law says .. and then try to flaunt it.

Section 117 of the Copyright Act:
Under section 117, you or someone you authorize may make a copy of an original computer program if the new copy is being made for archival (i.e., backup) purposes only; you are the legal owner of the copy; and any copy made for archival purposes is either destroyed, or transferred with the original copy, once the original copy is sold, given away, or otherwise transferred.

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Technically, the answer is yes. Under general copyright law, distributing a copy of copyrighted materials (like a music CD) can only be done with the permission of the copyright holder (usually the artist or record label). Moreover, the No Electronic Theft Act, a federal law, states that it is a federal crime to reproduce, distribute, or share copies of electronic copyrighted works such as a music CD. This can be true even if you copy and then give the CD away without a commercial purpose or receiving financial gain.

The law creates an exception for "personal use," which means that burning copies is legal if the person plans to use the copies for their own personal use. Practically speaking, this means that once you have bought an album, you can burn it in order to play on your portable music player, computer hard drive, etc. The law, however, does not allow someone to burn a CD and then pass the copy on to others. Passing out burned copies of the CD to family and friends or otherwise giving away a copied CD is not considered "personal use" and would be in violation of federal law. The same general rules apply to other copyrighted materials like movies, video games, or software programs.
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Yes, but what makes you a dumb-a$$ is your belief that Law resides in a book . It doesn't, and a law that isn't or can't be enforced doesn't truly exist. This is why CASE LAW matters. There is no case law that reaches down to the level of individual mobile DJ you are describing. A lot of what you are claiming about Title 17 USC is super ceded by Title 15 USC and the Congressional Committee on Copyrights later Acts. These conflicts make the scenarios you want to enforce an untenable interest and pursuit.

Act in good faith and good conscience and don't gaff tape your orifices just to satisfy what you found on the DOJ equivalent of Wikipedia. :)

Take a good look at Slep-Tone Entertainment and their karaoke scam. They swindled a lot of naive little people into giving them money with their letter campaigns but, when someone finally took them to the State Appeals court level they got bit** slapped.
 
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Yes, but what makes you a dumb-a$$ is your belief that Law resides in a book . It doesn't, and a law that isn't or can't be enforced doesn't truly exist. This is why CASE LAW matters. There is no case law that reaches down to the level of individual mobile DJ you are describing. A lot of what you are claiming about Title 17 USC is super ceded by Title 15 USC and the Congressional Committee on Copyrights later Acts. These conflicts make the scenarios you want to enforce an untenable interest and pursuit.

Act in good faith and good conscience and don't gaff tape your orifices just to satisfy what you found on the DOJ equivalent of Wikipedia. :)

Take a good look at Slep-Tone Entertainment and their karaoke scam. They swindled a lot of naive little people into giving them money with their letter campaigns but, when someone finally took them to the State Appeals court level they got bit** slapped.
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I love it when you know you're wrong - you start degrading people and conversations.

Where else does the law exist - other than in books .. and this is what makes you a dumb-a$$. When we invaded Afghanistan, they claimed that there were no laws because all the books were destroyed (I wonder why they would say that if the laws don't exist in books - hmmmm). The US then presented them with a hard copy and digital copy of their very own laws (again, I wonder how this happened if the laws don't exist in books). The US, like every other nation, has law books. Are all these books filled with blank pages? What are all these books, papers and votes in/from Congress for? Why do we have a Law Library of Congress? I wonder what's in there - considering the law is not in books?

Back on topic, a copyright law can absolutely be enforced (any law can be). It really doesn't matter if you think something should be (or is) a law or not, as you are not a law maker. It IS your job to know and follow the law (this is called Ethics). As for a law, that is actually in the books - you should probably ask a lawyer if it really isn't a law, doesn't matter or is not enforcable.

You continue to change your stance and are now implying that the law will not or does not apply to you - which means you are trying to flaunt it. It doesn't matter if it reaches down to the individual DJ or not. I don't advise anyone to break the law and what you are stating is in fact, illegal.

You seem to want to tout the law when you see it as a benefit and ignore the law other times, simply because YOU think it's ok. You cannot advise nor promote illegal activities - well you can, but that is of no benefit to anyone.
 
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Proformance said:
... The following are not in the job description for a DJ:
  • Collecting
  • Server Installation & Maintenance
  • Structured File systems
  • Information and Content management
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Woops... WRONG AGAIN oh great and unknowing one.[emoji1] I just checked my “OFFICIAL” job description, and all those things you said were not there, were actually right at the top of the list... GO FIGURE???[emoji1] Just to prove it, here’s a copy...

Official DJ Bobcat Job Description
  • Purchases DJ Gear
  • Collecting
  • Server Installation & Maintenance
  • Structured File systems
  • Information and Content management
  • Performs Data Backups
  • Installs And Maintains DJ Computer Network
  • Technology R&D
  • Draws Caricatures Of Self (and occasionally other DJ’s)
  • Purchases DJ Gear
  • Purchases Music
  • Prepares Playlists
  • Prepares Contracts
  • Schmoozes Clients, Prospects And Guests
  • Ignores Legal Advice Dispensed By Sociopathic DJ/Lawyer Wannabees
  • Loads And Unloads DJ Gear
  • Sets Up DJ Systems At Venues
  • Plays Music
  • Performs MC Duties As Necessary
  • Purchases DJ Gear
  • Builds DJ Systems
  • Reworks DJ Systems
  • Writes Job Descriptions
  • Hires, Fires, And Bosses Other Employees
  • Purchases DJ Gear
  • Posts Goofy Stuff On DJ Forum
  • Plays Unused-Gear-Storage-In-Garage Tetris
  • Draws Cartoons As Inspired
  • Buys Power Tools (ARGH!)
  • Washes Minivan
  • Other Duties As Assigned
 
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ittigger said:
I love it when you know you're wrong - you start degrading people and conversations.

Where else does the law exist - other than in books .. and this is what makes you a dumb-a$$. When we invaded Afghanistan, they claimed that there were no laws because all the books were destroyed (I wonder why they would say that if the laws don't exist in books - hmmmm). The US then presented them with a hard copy and digital copy of their very own laws (again, I wonder how this happened if the laws don't exist in books). The US, like every other nations, has law books. Are they all blank pages? What are all these books, papers and votes in/from Congress for? Why do we have a Law Library of Congress? I wonder what's in there - considering the law is not in books?

Back on topic, a copyright law can absolutely be enforced (any law can be). It really doesn't matter if you think something should be (or is) a law or not, as you are not a law maker. It IS your job to know and follow the law (this is called Ethics). As for a law, that is actually in the books - you should probably ask a lawyer if it really isn't a law, doesn't matter or is not enforcable.

You continue to change your stance and are now implying that the law will not or does not apply to you - which means you are trying to flaunt it. It doesn't matter if it reaches down to the individual DJ or not. I don't advise anyone to break the law and what you are stating is in fact, illegal.

You seem to want to tout the law when you see it as a benefit and ignore the law other times, simply because YOU think it's ok. You cannot advise nor promote illegal activities - well you can, but that is of no benefit to anyone.
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OK, I'll walk down this Yellow Brick Road with you.... Where's your CASE law of a mobile disc jockey being sued by the RIAA, Label, or distributor because he sold, traded, donated, or otherwise disposed of CDs that were the source of his ripped collection?
 
There is no yellow brick road. It's legal .. or it's not. Copyright Law says it's not - and it's explicitly black and white in this manner. Are you of a higher power than those that discussed, agreed to and put this law into place? I am most certain that you are not. What you are trying to do is twist it in some way that makes it ok for you - but instead, all that you are doing is condoning illegal activity. You absolutely cannot discuss how the law applies nor what it means when you're condoning illegal acts. Case law means crap if you don't have any couth or ethics - nor any regard for what the law says. Where's your case law showing someone has not been held responsible for this.

You can easily find case law for people (to include DJ's) that were found with media in violation of laws and agreements. Look at limewire or any other file sharing site where RIAA (or other similar body) got involved. In those specific cases, RIAA did not care if you were a DJ or other - in fact, if they knew you were a DJ, it was probably more difficult for you to get out of trouble.

Under Copyright Law (yes, it's an actual law, in an actual book), you may not retain any copies if you give the original to someone else. Period, end of story. Anyone here reading this is supposed to be a 'Professional'. Exactly how 'Professional' are you if you're advising to (or are) breaking the law? The law does not say - it's ok if you don't abide by these requirements or that I'm not going to check to make sure you're within the law (this is where Ethics pops in too - hmmmmm).

I'm no lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one. You seem to think you are one or have the capability or knowledge of one. RIAA stopped suing people not because there is no law to enforce - because they ran out of money. This does NOT mean that it's ok to break to law. Robbing a bank is wrong - even if there's no police officer present. Again, this is called Ethics, of which you are continuing to display none.
 
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ittigger said:
RIAA stopped suing people not because there is no law to enforce - because they ran out of money
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RIAA may not sue, but BMI, BMG, and ASCAP will still sue if you are using pirated music. That is why I keep all of my originals, as well as receipts for digital purchases. Fortunately, as DJs, they cannot go after us for lack of licensing while doing "private" parties, only the public venues (i.e. bars, and dance clubs) will have to worry about that.
 
If you had illegal copies of music, I don't think I would be worried about BMI, BMG, ASCAP, SESAC or other similar - as they handle licensing and are looking for royalties. They're most likely not coming after the performer in a venue. They will be coming after the financial benefactor of said event, which is the venue owner or promoter. As a DJ, you can't obtain a license - unless you are the promoter of said event.

Regardless - using pirated, stolen or illegal copies displays your ethics.

ASCAP sues Peninsula bar for copyright infringement - Wow, they mention Copyright law a few times - like it's an actual law that truly exists or something.
 
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Proformance said:
OK, I'll walk down this Yellow Brick Road with you.... Where's your CASE law of a mobile disc jockey being sued by the RIAA, Label, or distributor because he sold, traded, donated, or otherwise disposed of CDs that were the source of his ripped collection?
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From which school of law or based on how many decades of legal practice should we attribute such scholalrly advise?
 
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So my library rebuilding project is coming along... slowly, but coming along. I started with the copy of my library on my new Dell Optiplex 7440 AIO Touchscreen. Then I downloaded a duplicate file finder program from the Microsoft Store, but it sucked![emoji1] So I downloaded the free version of CCleaner, and it’s acceptable. None of them seem to be designed very intelligently, but CCleaner works... it’s just time consuming. But I started searching one upper level folder (A-Z and 0) at a time, and I’m at “G” so far. Not as many duplicates as I thought, but it’s only the first step in the reduction (deletion) process. The next step will be to start deleting the folders of Artists and Albums I know I’ll never play. After that, I’m not sure if I want to start deleting individual tracks. That might take a little longer than I’d like to spend on this project.

I think I’m gonna split my instrumental music off into a folder of it’s own. There’s a lot of it, but I can pretty easily pick out the artists, and very few of them have any albums that would be in other genres.
 
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Are you considering duplicates as also songs that are similar but that are truly not the same? Example, Hotel California - Eagles (original recording) and Hotel California from the Hell Freezes Over album. What about the same song from different artists, like Hot Hot Hot by Buster Poindexter and Hot Hot Hot by Arrow or I Swear which was done by John Michael Montgomery and All 4 One? Studio vs Acoustic versions?
 
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Are you considering duplicates as also songs that are similar but that are truly not the same? Example - Hotel California - Eagles (original recording) and Hotel California from the Hell Freezes Over album.
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No... only removing exact duplicates. For example, I have some tracks from my own CD scans, but have the exact same tracks (same versions) on compilations I downloaded. I have a lot of alternate versions, and I want to keep those.
 
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That's always tough .. especially with the biggest artists. For many classic rock groups, I probably have a few Greatest Hits compilations, and for groups like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, etc .. probably multiple versions of their main albums as well. I need to keep all of those intact (at least I WANT to).
 
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steve149 said:
That's always tough .. especially with the biggest artists. For many classic rock groups, I probably have a few Greatest Hits compilations, and for groups like the Beatles, Pink Floyd, etc .. probably multiple versions of their main albums as well. I need to keep all of those intact (at least I WANT to).
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I don’t disagree. I’m keeping EVERYTHING on the server library so I can keep entire albums together. But I don’t need to have more than one copy of any track on my DJ computers. I also still have the portable hard drive with a copy of the same library that’s on the server, and it always goes with me in my laptop bag.


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Do you have a 'jump space' that you update the full and the 'mobile' libraries from? Currently my 'main' library is everything. My mobile is the 'main' with all the explicit stuff removed.
 
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ittigger said:
Do you have a 'jump space' that you update the full and the 'mobile' libraries from?
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Yep... I have a folder on my server labeled “Staging”, where I put everything new and get it tagged and volume leveled. It’s all in folders for the dates the music was placed there. Then I copy the contents of the folders to other libraries for dates later than the last update.


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ittigger said:
...My mobile is the 'main' with all the explicit stuff removed.
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Ooooo... I hadn’t thought about those. Some of the explicit stuff has the word “explicit” in the title, but ALL of the explicit versions have it in the MP3 tags. I’ll have to think about the best way to delete them.
 
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