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Jeff Romard said:
I suspect the biggest difference would be how it's built not what they use. With Bose you pay for engineering and workmanship and of course name. The parts they use are actually pretty cheaply acquired
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Jeff Romard said:
Good chance of it. Things like solder joints and wiring would be of a much better quality in the Bose unit
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In the products we make in my day job, we use PVC, TPU, and polyurethane webbing. If you google costs of those things, you can find companies offering this stuff for pennies on the dollar vs what we pay quality manufacturers to make our raw materials. When you don’t know anything about these materials, looking at them would be hard to tell the difference. But we know there’s a dramatic difference in performance

But I would agree that sometimes the cost of a good part probably isn’t much more expensive than the cost of a cheaper part . In addition to the soldering and wiring you mentioned, the QC of the parts and then the QC of the assembled parts will drive up the cost to quality parts and merchandise. And all of the engineering that goes into a quality piece Is more expensive as well.

So when you have a just a slightly cheaper part with no QC, less skilled and cheaper assembly, no QC for that assembly,

I had a guy recently say, I’m sorry, but your material is just webbing with TPU on it. I don’t really see why we should pay extra just to have it made in the USA. I said I totally agree that he shouldn’t pay more just to have it made here. You should pay more because it will work better for you, your customers will pay more for it and help you to get repeat customers. Leather comes mainly from cows. Why is there very cheap leather and some leather very expensive? It’s just cows. He hasn’t bought yet, but not everyone is my customer
 
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B-Sharp said:
Well, Bose has to pay for all of that R&D somehow. And then there's the money they spend on marketing. I think we can all agree that for what it is, the Bose S1 Pro isn't worth anywhere near $699 (but I still bought two).
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I bought 2. Paid $599 for 1 and $450 for the other one, used.

Worth $699?

We’ve been using them for ceremonies and cocktail hours for 3-4 years now. They’ve been rock solid. If I needed another one, would I take a chance on something for $399 or $499 for something that may work, or spend $200 more on something I know works great? If my opinion, that’s the definition of “worth it”

Is it worth it for a customer to spend $200,$300, or $400 more for a quality Dj for one evening, but not worth it for a dj to spend that amount to get years of quality service out of equipment?

I’m glad they are profitable. if they weren’t making money, they probably would be more like other sound companies and either go out of business, get swallowed up/merged/sold/rebranded

I don’t think we can all agree that they aren’t worth anywhere near $699😁
 
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The reality is, many people that have never DJ’d don’t know all what goes into it and may not understand what it’s worth. It’s just setting up sound equipment and playing music. What’s so hard about that? I can get Spotify for next to nothing.

People who have never manufactured a quality product don’t understand what all goes in to designing a product from scratch, testing it, redesigning, reconfiguring it to something that will sell, and the costs that go into designing, producing, QC, marketing, selling, and customer service. You just get some parts and put it together. Shouldn’t cost much. What’s so hard about that? Parts don’t costs much, according to Google.
 
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MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
Is it worth it?
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The D1 Speaker from Monoprice is most certainly worth it. Very Good Value. I will make a video in the next few days. It will be a comparison video between the D1 and the Bose S1 with sound demos, and if weather is nice enough, maybe a volume distance test outside to give an idea of how much area outside either speaker can cover realistically.
 
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DJ Ricky B said:
comparison video between the D1 and the Bose S1 with sound demos,
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Let me know how the speaker is holding up three to five years from now. Please include hour of use on the unit.
Maybe a good unit for the right purpose??
One advantage of being that old DJ, You' ve already learned to cry once on price, not later down the road when equipment fails or is of no resale value.
Landfills have to be getting full of low end equipment?
Talk about frugal clients. I want $1800.00 to do your wedding & reception but I'll be using the cheapest equipment money :djsmug: can buy!

Yes I know the best can fail.
 
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Scott Hanna said:
In the products we make in my day job, we use PVC, TPU, and polyurethane webbing. If you google costs of those things, you can find companies offering this stuff for pennies on the dollar vs what we pay quality manufacturers to make our raw materials. When you don’t know anything about these materials, looking at them would be hard to tell the difference. But we know there’s a dramatic difference in performance

But I would agree that sometimes the cost of a good part probably isn’t much more expensive than the cost of a cheaper part . In addition to the soldering and wiring you mentioned, the QC of the parts and then the QC of the assembled parts will drive up the cost to quality parts and merchandise. And all of the engineering that goes into a quality piece Is more expensive as well.

So when you have a just a slightly cheaper part with no QC, less skilled and cheaper assembly, no QC for that assembly,

I had a guy recently say, I’m sorry, but your material is just webbing with TPU on it. I don’t really see why we should pay extra just to have it made in the USA. I said I totally agree that he shouldn’t pay more just to have it made here. You should pay more because it will work better for you, your customers will pay more for it and help you to get repeat customers. Leather comes mainly from cows. Why is there very cheap leather and some leather very expensive? It’s just cows. He hasn’t bought yet, but not everyone is my customer
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Jeff Romard said:
I suspect the biggest difference would be how it's built not what they use. With Bose you pay for engineering and workmanship and of course name. The parts they use are actually pretty cheaply acquired
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I should have been more specific the parts SR uses are likely cheaply acquired. The parts Bose uses that are important aren't so much. The drivers both use are cheap because they can be.

I am 100% sure Bose has MUCH better QC. The lifespan would be better and resale too
 
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Scott Hanna said:
I bought 2. Paid $599 for 1 and $450 for the other one, used.

Worth $699?

We’ve been using them for ceremonies and cocktail hours for 3-4 years now. They’ve been rock solid. If I needed another one, would I take a chance on something for $399 or $499 for something that may work, or spend $200 more on something I know works great? If my opinion, that’s the definition of “worth it”

Is it worth it for a customer to spend $200,$300, or $400 more for a quality Dj for one evening, but not worth it for a dj to spend that amount to get years of quality service out of equipment?

I’m glad they are profitable. if they weren’t making money, they probably would be more like other sound companies and either go out of business, get swallowed up/merged/sold/rebranded

I don’t think we can all agree that they aren’t worth anywhere near $699😁
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There are those companies that have a reputation to upkeep. Bose is one of them. If they slacked up on quality they would lose business. People would stop buying their products. One of the reasons customers buy their products is because their products last a long time. So people will highly recommend their products they sell.
 
sonic-vision said:
Let me know how the speaker is holding up three to five years from now. Please include hour of use on the unit.
Maybe a good unit for the right purpose??
One advantage of being that old DJ, You' ve already learned to cry once on price, not later down the road when equipment fails or is of no resale value.
Landfills have to be getting full of low end equipment?
Talk about frugal clients. I want $1800.00 to do your wedding & reception but I'll be using the cheapest equipment money :djsmug: can buy!

Yes I know the best can fail.
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I’d love to see a shoot out after 100 events on each😁
 
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sonic-vision said:
Let me know how the speaker is holding up three to five years from now. Please include hour of use on the unit.
Maybe a good unit for the right purpose??
One advantage of being that old DJ, You' ve already learned to cry once on price, not later down the road when equipment fails or is of no resale value.
Landfills have to be getting full of low end equipment?
Talk about frugal clients. I want $1800.00 to do your wedding & reception but I'll be using the cheapest equipment money :djsmug: can buy!

Yes I know the best can fail.
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My brother has an American Audio 8 ELS GO BT speaker he purchased for $175 back in 2015 at the DJ Expo. He still has it and uses it. Although the sound quality on it sucks, it still works for him. I replaced the battery in it just this past October for him. Battery was $20.60 off of Amazon.

I have a pair of Alto TS110A Speakers that are almost 10 years old now. $249.99 MAP on those, and I got them 15% OFF. They still work fine.

You are supposed to upgrade your speakers every 6 or 7 years anyway. Unless you are doing large events where pushing the speakers to their limits is a must, and you need to make sure there "will never be an issue" then spending thousands is not necessary. Speakers at any budget level can last a long time as long as you know how to use them, and take care of them.

My brother still has a pair of old Community CSX Series II speakers from 1996. He never had to replace anything in them. Probably over 600 events on those speakers. They look old and worn out, but they still work.
 
DJ Ricky B said:
My brother has an American Audio 8 ELS GO BT speaker he purchased for $175 back in 2015 at the DJ Expo. He still has it and uses it. Although the sound quality on it sucks, it still works for him. I replaced the battery in it just this past October for him. Battery was $20.60 off of Amazon.

I have a pair of Alto TS110A Speakers that are almost 10 years old now. $249.99 MAP on those, and I got them 15% OFF. They still work fine.

You are supposed to upgrade your speakers every 6 or 7 years anyway. Unless you are doing large events where pushing the speakers to their limits is a must, and you need to make sure there "will never be an issue" then spending thousands is not necessary. Speakers at any budget level can last a long time as long as you know how to use them, and take care of them.

My brother still has a pair of old Community CSX Series II speakers from 1996. He never had to replace anything in them. Probably over 600 events on those speakers. They look old and worn out, but they still work.
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Who told you you're supposed to upgrade your speakers every 6-7 years? I have a pair of Yamaha DSR 116 speakers and have had them over 10 years. They still sound great and work flawlessly.
 
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My brother has an American Audio 8 ELS GO BT speaker he purchased for $175 back in 2015 at the DJ Expo. He still has it and uses it. Although the sound quality on it sucks, it still works for him. I replaced the battery in it just this past October for him. Battery was $20.60 off of Amazon.

I have a pair of Alto TS110A Speakers that are almost 10 years old now. $249.99 MAP on those, and I got them 15% OFF. They still work fine.

You are supposed to upgrade your speakers every 6 or 7 years anyway. Unless you are doing large events where pushing the speakers to their limits is a must, and you need to make sure there "will never be an issue" then spending thousands is not necessary. Speakers at any budget level can last a long time as long as you know how to use them, and take care of them.

My brother still has a pair of old Community CSX Series II speakers from 1996. He never had to replace anything in them. Probably over 600 events on those speakers. They look old and worn out, but they still work.
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I was also wonder where you received your false information on replacing speaker every 6-7 years, that is simply untrue
 
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I was also wonder where you received your false information on replacing speaker every 6-7 years, that is simply untrue
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You don't HAVE TO. However, many, many DJs and production company owners have said this.

Look, there are people out there who say their mattress still feels fine, and have been sleeping on the same mattress for 15 years, and there isn't a need to go and buy a new one.
However,

every 6 to 8 years

Under normal conditions, mattresses should be replaced every 6 to 8 years. Of course, this is a general guideline and not a one-size-fits-all solution. There are various factors that influence when you should replace your mattress.


Same applies for Professional Loud Speakers and Subs.

Mix doesn't feel he needs to replace his older Yamaha DSR Speakers because he might only average 7 gigs per year. He could go 10 years, and only have worked 70 events with them. Perhaps that is a VALID reason to never replace the speakers.

It is true that speakers that were used in 1988 worked fine for 200 person events back then. Here we are 35 years later and there are still a fraction of older DJs out there using Speakers that were manufactured in 1988. Those speakers any way you look at them are OUT DATED AND NOT CURRENT PROFESSIONAL GRADE

How many Limo companies are there in 2023 pulling up to weddings with one of these and calling themselves a professional limo company?

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I would wager that number is ZERO. Every Limo company owner I have talked to over the years says it is a ridiculous amount of investment in the actual limos themselves because you have to change out your limos every 3 to 4 years TOPS because brides and corporate clients want the latest, newest, nicest limos. You tell them your limo is 10 or 15 year old, and you are immediately not in the running.

There are even big entertainment acts that have chosen to bring in a production company for sound and temporary speaker installation because the arena or concert venue they are playing at has not had a remodeling in 10+ years so they don't want to use the house system that is installed there. They want to make sure they sound fantastic and use current concert level equipment.
 
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The average person will notice the age of a car they change...The average person would have no idea what a speaker looks like that is 15 years old unless it's really dated like my CV's from the 80's (which still work perfectly)

I bought new Polars last year. The ONLY good reason I replaced my NX55s is they have thousands of miles and probably close to 1000 events on them. I sold one set to the bar I work at I use them every Friday and the other set is still here as a backup. They still worked fine and sounded great but at some point something will give out I really don't want it to be during a wedding
 
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Jeff Romard said:
The average person will notice the age of a car they change...The average person would have no idea what a speaker looks like that is 15 years old unless it's really dated like my CV's from the 80's (which still work perfectly)

I bought new Polars last year. The ONLY good reason I replaced my NX55s is they have thousands of miles and probably close to 1000 events on them. I sold one set to the bar I work at I use them every Friday and the other set is still here as a backup. They still worked fine and sounded great but at some point something will give out I really don't want it to be during a wedding
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Yup. It's important to remodernize/update/renew every so often. Sure a bride/groom doesn't think about it, and perhaps a bride who wants a $300 DJ has no care in the world for how old the speakers are or look, BUT the couples who hire us are going to expect that we use Current professional grade equipment. Generally speaking.

Perhaps there is a client out there that wants a retro 80s party, and a DJ that has old equipment from the 80s can shine and sell them on using actual retro equipment from the 80s to give the party a genuine 80s feel. However, any other such event, I'm pretty sure the clients don't want their DJ using old, dated equipment at their event. It won't even matter how great it sounds...then again, I have seen DJs at bars in the past believe their old speakers sound great still, and I hear them and think they sound pretty bad compared to what's out there today and been around for the last 6-8 years. High Fidelity, and Clearness has improved a great deal over the years for what bands and DJs use. That and of course Portability/Weight, and overall looks. A lot of older stuff just is not pleasant to look at.
 
For me, I do like having new features. When the new pro32,16 line came out, I upgraded. The stuff I was using was fine, but was 13 years old. I kept some, and sold some. Resale value was very good. To me, that’s important. Did I need to? No. I wanted to. Even lighter, more features…more convenience for me. And quality I can count on.
 
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Here is the Comparison video between the two speakers. I did not do a "coverage area test" outside due to me finding out that I can't shoot video with the camera on my phone and play music via blue tooth at the same time. My previous Google Pixel 3XL phone did let me do that, but my Galaxy S10+ will not for some reason. I did not feel like driving back home to get an alternative music source therefore Sound Demos are in my basement except a quick microphone test I did while outside.

If you don't want to listen to me talk about the speaker features/build quality and discuss the mixer section differences, just jump to 13:33 for the sound demos.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA5AYBrmRss&t=416s
 
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DJ Ricky B said:
You don't HAVE TO. However, many, many DJs and production company owners have said this.

Look, there are people out there who say their mattress still feels fine, and have been sleeping on the same mattress for 15 years, and there isn't a need to go and buy a new one.
However,

every 6 to 8 years

Under normal conditions, mattresses should be replaced every 6 to 8 years. Of course, this is a general guideline and not a one-size-fits-all solution. There are various factors that influence when you should replace your mattress.


Same applies for Professional Loud Speakers and Subs.

Mix doesn't feel he needs to replace his older Yamaha DSR Speakers because he might only average 7 gigs per year. He could go 10 years, and only have worked 70 events with them. Perhaps that is a VALID reason to never replace the speakers.

It is true that speakers that were used in 1988 worked fine for 200 person events back then. Here we are 35 years later and there are still a fraction of older DJs out there using Speakers that were manufactured in 1988. Those speakers any way you look at them are OUT DATED AND NOT CURRENT PROFESSIONAL GRADE

How many Limo companies are there in 2023 pulling up to weddings with one of these and calling themselves a professional limo company?

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I would wager that number is ZERO. Every Limo company owner I have talked to over the years says it is a ridiculous amount of investment in the actual limos themselves because you have to change out your limos every 3 to 4 years TOPS because brides and corporate clients want the latest, newest, nicest limos. You tell them your limo is 10 or 15 year old, and you are immediately not in the running.

There are even big entertainment acts that have chosen to bring in a production company for sound and temporary speaker installation because the arena or concert venue they are playing at has not had a remodeling in 10+ years so they don't want to use the house system that is installed there. They want to make sure they sound fantastic and use current concert level equipment.
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Totally disagree with you. We do more than 7 events a year. Also when you buy high grade real professional speakers and not the ones that claim on the box it's professional. Spend good money and buy some really great quality speakers, you won't need to buy speakers every 6-7 years. When I bought those speakers I knew what I was buying. Quality that would sound great and work great years later. I could have bought some cheaper speakers but I wanted the real deal and not some knock off speakers that look like a really great professional speaker but are a piece of junk.
 
When is the last time you upgraded your speakers? What were you using then and what did you upgrade to?
 
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