New Yamaha DXR mk2 Series Speakers

azdeejay

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For me, I agree the larger ones would be overkill for the smaller events I do. I have a pair of Blizzard moving washes and I have an ADJ Inno Pocket Scan, but the washes are just moving PARs and the Scan is too dim for anything other than a tight bar dance floor (plus I broke one, so not as interesting with just 1).
Yep, the Scans are very dim, one of my semi sort kinda of regrettable purchases , I like the Roller though.
 
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NightOwlDJs

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I have said it many times and will say it again. The Yamaha DXR stuff is fantastic. Personally, I believe that they are the best in their class. My rig is going
on 6-years and knock on wood still pumping along strong!!! I utilize DXR10Mk1 over DXS12Mk1. The DXR10's are such a flexible and capable cab. IMHO
are voiced extremely well for speech do well when crossed over with a sub for a dance/party system. I am definitely interested in hearing what the Mk2 cabs
sound like next to the Mk1. I will probably purchase another set of Tops/Subs next year to transition into a newer set . . . more so for peace of mind . . . although maybe not warranted. :) these could be a contender.
 

steve149

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I have a pair of JBL PRX612 12" tops .. been thinking of dropping to 10s, since I use them when I don't need a sub and there isn't a whole lot of difference between 12s and 10s. Plus, If needed, I could either use the 10s over my EVOX subs (though I'd need a top with sub out instead of sub with top out) or pick up a single 18.

I'd like to hear the DXR10mk2 as well as the DZR10. I've always liked the sound of Yamahas. My Club 15s (S115IV) sounded smooth .. though didn't have the SPL needed at the time.
 

NightOwlDJs

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I have a pair of JBL PRX612 12" tops .. been thinking of dropping to 10s, since I use them when I don't need a sub and there isn't a whole lot of difference between 12s and 10s. Plus, If needed, I could either use the 10s over my EVOX subs (though I'd need a top with sub out instead of sub with top out) or pick up a single 18.

I'd like to hear the DXR10mk2 as well as the DZR10. I've always liked the sound of Yamahas. My Club 15s (S115IV) sounded smooth .. though didn't have the SPL needed at the time.
Steve, I remember you mentioning and us discussing a move to 10's. I was very reluctant moving from 15's to 10's, but have been pleasantly surprised at
what the cabs can do. I know that you have a good ear for these things and I honestly believe that you would be very happy with them. I remember your side/side test with the DXS12/JBL & Evox and in my mind wish that we were closer so that I could let you listen to the DXR10's matched with the DXS12's. My opinion, you would have smiled and traded in your JBL's the next day :)
I did a quick look, but couldn't find the cross-over frequency for your Evox sub, but the DXR10's have 100/120 switchable crossover which, in a pinch could work if
the need arose. Personally I do not like mismatched subs/tops and would suggest taking another look at the DXSMk11's when you need a larger system.
But stand alone the DXR10's are very flexible and functional.
 
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DJ Ricky B

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All of my other DJs use Alto TS110A 10 inch speakers, with no sub at 90% of the events that they do.

We have never had a problem with any of the Alto TS110A speakers. They have been work horse speakers, and sound GREAT!

12s will have some more top end volume, and more bass, but 10s can effectively work the same events.

Regarding 15s, I have a pair of Alto TS215 speakers sitting around that I really don't use any more. I just love the TS312s too much. So I am debating wether I want to sell them, or gift them
 

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I think the 12 is a nice compromise for alot of things. I think a 10 is too small for no subs. I think a 15 is too big with subs. I think 12 is the sweet spot. Pushes a little more air than 10's and when you need the extra firepower, hook them up to 18's.
 
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IceBurghDJ

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Interesting...

So that brings up the question, how much sound/speaker is enough? And who decides that?

Some DJs insist 'you gotta have subs', some have F1/L1 or similar (sub included of course), or just a pair of 10" tops?

Will the customers rave or bitch if you get it wrong? More/less wom? Or, as I suspect, as long as your 'in the ballpark' they won't care one way or another.

I've only been asked to turn it up a few times but been asked to turn it down way more often. I only bring subs for school dances and the odd other event now. 2 12" tops seems to work fine. I have a car cruise wednesday and I'm bringing 4 12" tops this time..no particular reason other than I have them.

All of my other DJs use Alto TS110A 10 inch speakers, with no sub at 90% of the events that they do.

We have never had a problem with any of the Alto TS110A speakers. They have been work horse speakers, and sound GREAT!

12s will have some more top end volume, and more bass, but 10s can effectively work the same events.

Regarding 15s, I have a pair of Alto TS215 speakers sitting around that I really don't use any more. I just love the TS312s too much. So I am debating wether I want to sell them, or gift them
 

ittigger

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It's the sound that you want to create. In most cases, the customer won't know or care - unless they hear something they really like (or really don't like). If you can create something they really like, then they will notice it - and this may work in your favor. Likewise, if you create something unpleasant, they will also notice it - and this may work against you.

Four 12" tops allows you to spread music within an area without needing as much volume.
 

steve149

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If you spend serious time on the OTHER side of the speakers, you learn to tell what is or isn't needed pretty easily. Most times DJs run subs (or woofers) too loud (relative to the rest of the sound), and they tend to push the highs more than they should .. resulting in boomy and shrill listening. Music should sound like music .. if you need louder, you need more, better or bigger speakers, not a "smile curve" EQ.

As Tig said, 12" tops are about the minimum you'd want for a system with no subs (unless it is a speaking event or a very small/quiet need). I find 15" tops too ugly looking these days (and I went through a bunch of them early on). Unless the audience is small, sub-less systems sound pretty thin. I might run a pair of 12" tops for karaoke sometimes, but will bring a larger system if more inter-singer music is expected.
 

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Yes...and it doesn't matter.

there are dozens if not hundreds of speakers out there, current, recent, amps, EQ or other modifiers, plus then the setup of the gear by the DJ and the venue's acoustics, plus then the people (and where they are in the room perhaps).

Variables beyond count.

To say you have a sound they like...well, mcdonalds and walmart have the most busienss so one should emulate them - they appeal to the most folks, right? Yet neither are spoken of "MAn you GOTTA go to McDonalds! That new mcrib, the service, the atmosphere is just GREAT!" - said no one ever.


It's the sound that you want to create. In most cases, the customer won't know or care - unless they hear something they really like (or really don't like). If you can create something they really like, then they will notice it. This works in your favor.
 

ittigger

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If you want to be like McDonalds or WalMart, then I agree. Personally, I haven't shopped in a WalMart in a very long time as they do not appeal to me. McD's, I stop and get their sweet tea every now and then (like once every 6 months).

Though, try to imagine a WalMart somewhere that had really good customer service, very pleasant and helpful people and all lanes open. Do you think this facility would get more, less or the same amount of business as the other WalMarts?

Chick-Fil-A didn't beat McDonalds by being just like them.
 
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steve149

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Yes...and it doesn't matter.

there are dozens if not hundreds of speakers out there, current, recent, amps, EQ or other modifiers, plus then the setup of the gear by the DJ and the venue's acoustics, plus then the people (and where they are in the room perhaps).

Variables beyond count.

To say you have a sound they like...well, mcdonalds and walmart have the most busienss so one should emulate them - they appeal to the most folks, right? Yet neither are spoken of "MAn you GOTTA go to McDonalds! That new mcrib, the service, the atmosphere is just GREAT!" - said no one ever.
There is a difference between what a client accepts .. and what everyone really likes. I know most listeners can't tell the difference, but set up a system properly, use really good gear, and run it right and those that know will be happier.
 
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IceBurghDJ

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Absolutely - and I don't go there, for whatever that's worth.
But McDonalds has 37,000 stores and chikfila 2200.

If there was demand for chick fil a they'd be much closer in store count one would think.

I'm just commenting on the statement 'appeal to the most people'...

If you want to be like McDonalds or WalMart, then I agree. Personally, I haven't shopped in a WalMart in a very long time as they do not appeal to me. McD's, I stop and get their sweet tea every now and then (like once every 6 months).

Though, try to imagine a WalMart somewhere that had really good customer service, very pleasant and helpful people and all lanes open. Do you think this facility would get more, less or the same amount of business as the other WalMarts?

Chick-Fil-A didn't beat McDonalds by being just like them.
 

wifedj

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Absolutely - and I don't go there, for whatever that's worth.
But McDonalds has 37,000 stores and chikfila 2200.

If there was demand for chick fil a they'd be much closer in store count one would think.

I'm just commenting on the statement 'appeal to the most people'...
McDonald's is selling fast food with no serious quality or service component as a primary or major selling point.

Chick-Fil-A sells fast food with higher quality & better service as primary selling points.

High quality & service always has a lower demand but may very well be substantially more profitable.

There is no requirement that a product or service must appeal to everyone.
 

IceBurghDJ

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Great in THEORY...

Reality is we do private events (mostly) and people aren't firing us, or walking out becasue we're less than some standard they chose.

I assume that ALL djs' have the same desired outcome - happy people dancing. We all aim for it but it doesn't always happen, for a number of reasons, often beyond our skills.

I'm doing a car cruise wednesday night- I was hired to play music and provide a microphone. I did nothing to bring in/promote the cruise, can't control the weather, timing of other events, etc.

If I do a great job vs average will it affect the next car cruise turnout? I imagine if I suck it will affect me, and perhaps the cruise.

I know I get rave reviews on school dances, but the decision makers change, and I've followed DJs and been told stories about folks not dancing, lower ticket sales as the last dance wasn't fun, etc.

I bring what I think is sufficient / appropriate for the event at hand...you may bring something completely different. For a school dance of 400 I brought TWICE the sound gear as another DJ...and I was asked to turn it up (i was pushing the limits when they finally quit asking). The other DJ was NOT loud enough IMO...one could have a conversation in the room in a normal tone of voice. Seems a tad tame for a prom of 400 kids IMO. But he keeps getting asked back...

So now you reach the issue of what does the customer know, can they compare to? I've never owned a ferrari, bmw, mercedes, lexus or a new caddy or lincoln. Are they worth their asking price? I will probably never know.
I know folks that are brand loyal - toyota or nothing, nissan or nothing, chevy/gm or nothing. Are they shorting themselves by not trying something else?

the competition can do everything right and still not get these folks as customers.

What is required DEPENDS ABSOLUTELY ON what is the desired outcome, quality, performance.


The service provider ultimately decides but the audience is the ultimate arbiter.