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I alluded to the changes I was making in another thread, but I've basically just completely overhauled my speaker inventory. After several months of back-ordered waiting, I finally got a chance to take my RCF NXL 14A and SUB 18AX combo out to hear them in a real room. It wasn't necessary to take a system this big out for this particular wedding, but I just wanted to see and hear them together to give it a bit of juice. They look good, and they sound phenomenal.

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My thesis was that this raises my headroom meaningfully for larger and outdoor weddings. And I've always found the Evox-12 to sound pretty good, but a little muddy to my ear. I think these are crisper sounding tops. This is also more modular with the ability to use a single sub or dual depending on what I need to do.

My original thought was that I'd sell my Evox-12s. And then I got nervous that I'd get into situations where I have to hand carry speakers into a venue and these new subs will be a nightmare at 100 pounds. For a while I considered just keeping the Evox-12s for those situations. But the reality is that they aren't particularly light either. The sub on those is 70-75 pounds. They're on the bulky side for being a speaker I take out only when transport and load in is a problem.

So I decided to buy one more set of speakers and purchased a pair of J8s. With a composite build and a 12 inch sub, they are at 60 pounds including the top speaker. Which I can easily carry one in each hand and limit the number of trips up and down stairs in those one-off situations.

I thought I was nuts to buy another set of speakers. But the J8s were on a deal with cases at about $2,100. And the Evox-12s look like they're selling used for almost $4,000 still. So I'm going to touch up a couple nicks in the paint and list them. But even if I can only get $3500-$3,700 on them I'll cover well above the cost of the J8s while freeing up some garage space.

Complete overkill? Maybe, but I've got a brand new speaker inventory and feeling pretty happy about all the options I've got now.
 
I alluded to the changes I was making in another thread, but I've basically just completely overhauled my speaker inventory. After several months of back-ordered waiting, I finally got a chance to take my RCF NXL 14A and SUB 18AX combo out to hear them in a real room. It wasn't necessary to take a system this big out for this particular wedding, but I just wanted to see and hear them together to give it a bit of juice. They look good, and they sound phenomenal.

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My thesis was that this raises my headroom meaningfully for larger and outdoor weddings. And I've always found the Evox-12 to sound pretty good, but a little muddy to my ear. I think these are crisper sounding tops. This is also more modular with the ability to use a single sub or dual depending on what I need to do.

My original thought was that I'd sell my Evox-12s. And then I got nervous that I'd get into situations where I have to hand carry speakers into a venue and these new subs will be a nightmare at 100 pounds. For a while I considered just keeping the Evox-12s for those situations. But the reality is that they aren't particularly light either. The sub on those is 70-75 pounds. They're on the bulky side for being a speaker I take out only when transport and load in is a problem.

So I decided to buy one more set of speakers and purchased a pair of J8s. With a composite build and a 12 inch sub, they are at 60 pounds including the top speaker. Which I can easily carry one in each hand and limit the number of trips up and down stairs in those one-off situations.

I thought I was nuts to buy another set of speakers. But the J8s were on a deal with cases at about $2,100. And the Evox-12s look like they're selling used for almost $4,000 still. So I'm going to touch up a couple nicks in the paint and list them. But even if I can only get $3500-$3,700 on them I'll cover well above the cost of the J8s while freeing up some garage space.

Complete overkill? Maybe, but I've got a brand new speaker inventory and feeling pretty happy about all the options I've got now.
Crazy how two people view the same sound system lol. I have this as well but consider this my small system for like 150ish people. I too always thought my evox12 was ok but not quite up to par with the quality I want. I still am keeping it though for my after parties. The tops are very impressive and love the look and being modular allows you to fine tune better than the evox. However, I still think anything in a space that’s designed for more than 175 needs something more capable on the high end which is why I still predominantly use the nxl24’s.
 
Crazy how two people view the same sound system lol. I have this as well but consider this my small system for like 150ish people. I too always thought my evox12 was ok but not quite up to par with the quality I want. I still am keeping it though for my after parties. The tops are very impressive and love the look and being modular allows you to fine tune better than the evox. However, I still think anything in a space that’s designed for more than 175 needs something more capable on the high end which is why I still predominantly use the nxl24’s.

Most of my weddings are 75-125 people. On occasion we push to 200+ which is when I was supplementing the evox anyway.

So I think we might agree in terms of who this suits. But my standard event is just smaller.
 
Crazy how two people view the same sound system lol. I have this as well but consider this my small system for like 150ish people. I too always thought my evox12 was ok but not quite up to par with the quality I want. I still am keeping it though for my after parties. The tops are very impressive and love the look and being modular allows you to fine tune better than the evox. However, I still think anything in a space that’s designed for more than 175 needs something more capable on the high end which is why I still predominantly use the nxl24’s.
I haven't pushed these NXLs to know where their upper limit is yet. But I also still have a pair of Pioneer XPRS 12s. I'm convinced those are the most underrated 12" speaker of all time.

I put them under 4 18s for a high school even years ago and never out ran them. If I really needed to scream I can put those up and have a lot of confidence that we are not going to come up short in any wedding situation.
 
Most of my weddings are 75-125 people. On occasion we push to 200+ which is when I was supplementing the evox anyway.

So I think we might agree in terms of who this suits. But my standard event is just smaller.
Agreed, don't get me wrong these are PHENOMENAL speaker, and in the wedding space, looks are just as important as output sometimes, especially when our speakers are front and center in a more smaller space, than in a massive sapce that allows them to hide in the background. With that said, yes, most of my weddings are in the large spaces or above 200 frequently.
 
I alluded to the changes I was making in another thread, but I've basically just completely overhauled my speaker inventory. After several months of back-ordered waiting, I finally got a chance to take my RCF NXL 14A and SUB 18AX combo out to hear them in a real room. It wasn't necessary to take a system this big out for this particular wedding, but I just wanted to see and hear them together to give it a bit of juice. They look good, and they sound phenomenal.

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My thesis was that this raises my headroom meaningfully for larger and outdoor weddings. And I've always found the Evox-12 to sound pretty good, but a little muddy to my ear. I think these are crisper sounding tops. This is also more modular with the ability to use a single sub or dual depending on what I need to do.

My original thought was that I'd sell my Evox-12s. And then I got nervous that I'd get into situations where I have to hand carry speakers into a venue and these new subs will be a nightmare at 100 pounds. For a while I considered just keeping the Evox-12s for those situations. But the reality is that they aren't particularly light either. The sub on those is 70-75 pounds. They're on the bulky side for being a speaker I take out only when transport and load in is a problem.

So I decided to buy one more set of speakers and purchased a pair of J8s. With a composite build and a 12 inch sub, they are at 60 pounds including the top speaker. Which I can easily carry one in each hand and limit the number of trips up and down stairs in those one-off situations.

I thought I was nuts to buy another set of speakers. But the J8s were on a deal with cases at about $2,100. And the Evox-12s look like they're selling used for almost $4,000 still. So I'm going to touch up a couple nicks in the paint and list them. But even if I can only get $3500-$3,700 on them I'll cover well above the cost of the J8s while freeing up some garage space.

Complete overkill? Maybe, but I've got a brand new speaker inventory and feeling pretty happy about all the options I've got now.
Looks great Ross. Glad you are liking them
 
What failed? Was the pass through still working?

The amp powered down entirely.

I bought the custom NLFX jump cables that have the TrueCon and XLR pass through. So when the power died on the sub, my top died too.

I swapped the power back to the top and bypassed the SUB XLR to bring the top back online. And then I boosted the sub on the other side to compensate for it.

The planner didn't even notice, so it was a good redundancy test, but I'm obviously pissed off to have an expensive paperweight right now.
 
The amp powered down entirely.

I bought the custom NLFX jump cables that have the TrueCon and XLR pass through. So when the power died on the sub, my top died too.

I swapped the power back to the top and bypassed the SUB XLR to bring the top back online. And then I boosted the sub on the other side to compensate for it.

The planner didn't even notice, so it was a good redundancy test, but I'm obviously pissed off to have an expensive paperweight right now.
Just to clarify, you connected the tops through the true con out and xlr out.

If that’s the case and that stopped. It’s likely a main power connection that failed. Possibly a fuse or a loose connection. The thrus will still work if the amps fail… at least they do on all their other subs. Therefore allowing the top to still work seamlessly. Ask me how I know lol
 
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Just to clarify, you connected the tops through the true con out and xlr out.

If that’s the case and that stopped. It’s likely a main power connection that failed. Possibly a fuse or a loose connection. The thrus will still work if the amps fail… at least they do on all their other subs. Therefore allowing the top to still work seamlessly. Ask me how I know lol

I'm using the X-Over Output from the sub. But I really don't know if that was working or not, because the power flow to the NXL 14-A is coming off the sub, and the power was lost. So when I re-ran the power to the top, I just bypassed the sub entirely with the XLR cable.
 
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I'm using the X-Over Output from the sub. But I really don't know if that was working or not, because the power flow to the NXL 14-A is coming off the sub, and the power was lost. So when I re-ran the power to the top, I just bypassed the sub entirely with the XLR cable.
Yeah if you lost power to your top, and if the ax model sub works like the other subs rcf has made, the issue is likely at the main power level… not the amp. I run my nxl24s the same way over my 8004 subs, and even when the amp failed (bad connection that glue weakened and fell out), the top still worked with no issue. I actually never noticed that the sub failed until the end of the night since the top kept going. That’s why I think it’s something simple like a loose main power connection or blown fuse. As that is what normally causes the top to not receive power.

The only variable here is that the ax line has a built in digital dsp controller which may affect the way that the top wiring is ran for power… but I doubt it since it’s a simple jumper wire more or less
 
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Aaaand on the 5th use... one of the subs died on me mid-set.

Lovely.

RCF support is typically good, and I'm sure they will make this right. But what a PITA...

That stings and that sucks! I would be returning them. I would be pretty upset dropping that kind of money to have the Amp die.

I can't fathom dropping thousands and having an amp die on me at a under 200 guest wedding. I have never even had a speaker amp die on me out of all the powered speakers I have ever owned. One of my 7 year old used Altos has less power than the others after all this use, and it is likely the dial, and not the amp itself, but it still works.

Perhaps these "higher end" speakers are similar to how new cars are these days. Everyone says the new cars suck, and there are so many issues with them, meanwhile people are experiencing true reliability with older vehicles.

Simpler common speaker systems are likely way more reliable.
 
To RCF's credit... they immediately shipped me a new amp that will be here tomorrow. If the install is easy enough, this speaker will be out again on Saturday night. If not, I'll have to Franken-system my last wedding of the year.
 
I'm grateful for the quick turnaround from RCF. The amp swap was easy to do and I didn't miss a single gig with these bad boys. Which was helpful, since I had a 210 guest wedding to crush on Saturday:

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I'm grateful for the quick turnaround from RCF. The amp swap was easy to do and I didn't miss a single gig with these bad boys. Which was helpful, since I had a 210 guest wedding to crush on Saturday:
To RCF's credit... they immediately shipped me a new amp that will be here tomorrow. If the install is easy enough, this speaker will be out again on Saturday night. If not, I'll have to Franken-system my last wedding of the year.

Couldn't be any pleased with RCF service . Other brands more than likely would want the damaged amp back before shipping out a new one and maybe down for 10 days or more.
I have never even had a speaker amp die on me out of all the powered speakers I have ever owned. One of my 7 year old used Altos has less power than the others after all this use, and it is likely the dial, and not the amp itself, but it still works.
Maybe if you used the speakers regularly you would find that the Alto's are not as reliable .