In my limited 30+years of experience "good enough" rarely, if ever rises to the level of "good enough to rely upon or recommend."
Cleary, YMMV!
Cleary, YMMV!
Mics popping and sounding bad
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Aim low and your target will be much easier to hit.A doctor who made C's is still called Dr!
P.S. The reality is that medical students that perform at the "C" level, rarely make it in the profession.
One can only hope that the "average" in doctor school is waaayyy above the average in DJ school ...A doctor who made C's is still called Dr!
This whole argument of "good enough" or "the best" just baffles me. Whatever happened to using the best tool available, regardless of the cost? The price of the tool is a secondary consideration but the primary objective is to get the best tool for the job. I'll give you an example. My brother is an audio engineer that does sound for all the Nascar events, along with other very high-level broadcast TV (mostly sports) shows. He's got a few shelves full of Emmy awards, sitting at his house. Two years ago, the contract got awarded over to a new network (Fox maybe?) and end result, they tasked him to build out a new truck. The main console was $1mil+. The kicker............I've seen behringer gear in his rack. A guy operating at that level obviously has the budget to buy whatever he needs. It didn't matter that there were other, more expensive tools available, he is using what gets the job done. I can only speak for myself but GTD gets the job done. I don't care that it's cheaper.
You're right, literally no one will care - until they do. No one cares what kind of car you have, til it doesn't work. No one cares what cell phone or cell phone service you have, til it doesn't work. If your definition of the 'best' is one that just 'meets' some standard then that's fine. I rate the best as something that leads or exceeds a segment. You're also right that the "best" can be had at a much more affordable price than $12,500 - as this might be the Bugatti of microphones - but at $20, you're on the extreme opposite side of the 'best' pole.
Which Dr would you want operating on you, especially if you're paying for it - the one with the A's or one with the C's? In retrospect, many people 'don't care' until the operation has been done and it was not what they wanted or expected.A doctor who made C's is still called Dr!
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In most cases, you’re probably right, but I’ll give you a different side of that...
My first wife was very smart (I’m attracted to smart women [emoji1]). She made straight A’s all through school and had a similarly high grade point average in college. Her degree was in hearing and speech therapy. Problem is, she was only good at SCHOOL... couldn’t hold a job other than teaching jobs. She had little or no common sense.[emoji1] She was a GREAT teacher, but didn’t enjoy it much. She tried numerous times to find a job in the business sector, but could never hold onto one. She was probably too smart, and I think some of her supervisors were resentful of that... not sure. Eventually, she became jealous of my success and career progression, knowing she was smarter than me (and I’m sure she was smarter [emoji1]). Even though I supported her in all her attempts at various careers, our marriage eventually ended.
Sure, I want a doctor with smarts, but I also want one with some common sense too.[emoji4]
If that was what truly motivated you to use these that would be fine, but I don't think anyone honestly believes that.
Do you honestly believe you are using the best tool for the job you have assigned to it?
There is a lot of non critical processing for which people use Behringer and if what you want to do is not in the design order, it easily bills under "miscellaneous."
When a DJ's prices are too low - a savvy customer will not hire them. The customer is informed enought to knows that it is not possible for the DJ achieve the results they expect with the unrealistically low budget the DJ has set for himself to do the job.
This is the argument over your mics. You claim they sound great and are completely reliable. Some of us are savvy enough to know that's not possible, and have enough experience with this kind of gear to have that knowledge confirmed over and over.
No one at an event is going to approach us to tell us our mic sounds "bad" unless they fully believe we are willing and capable of fixing the problem.
Do not take any comfort in that silence however, because the average person does in fact, recognize when your mic sounds "bad. "
Do not take any comfort in that silence however, because the average person does in fact, recognize when your mic sounds "bad. "
Again, you're using the wrong measuring stick. I don't care whether my doctor made A's or C's, I want the one who can do the BEST job. The best doctor isn't necessarily the one with the top grades. When it comes to mics, or any other equipment purchases, look for the tool that does the best job for you, then you add price into the equation and you make a call on which direction to go.
No, we're measuring the stick you extended and letting you know it comes up short.
The doctor you've chosen is a specialist. Unfortunately, his specialty is something other than what you are trying to treat. If you want to ignore that disparity that's your choice, but it doesn't mean any doctor critical of your decision is a "medical snob."
You can be perfectly happy with the performance of your specialist even while he's slowly killing you. Likewise, you can be perfectly happy with the performance of GTD mics and never see where they are making your business sick.
Again you are listening to extremely compressed audio and not only that but the guy is trying to sell you on the $20 mic...Did you notice he mentions his affiliate link? It's obviously much much easier and more profitable to sell $20 mics than $12,000 mics
I am inadvertently making a case for the $20 mic by mentioning cable. You get the mic and cable for $20...How good do you think that cable will be? He never mentions what cable is used on the AKG.
He didn't really test the mics he tried the mics. He's a Youtube host he knows as much about mics as I know about launching space shuttles
LOL. Did you notice he makes his videos using and SM7B ($400.)
Obviously he has learned from prior experience that using a $20 mic is hazardous to his video career.
Let's be fair.
The GTD quad system is not a $20 mic. With 5 major components at $129 (4 mics + receiver) we should note that these mics are in fact $6 more.
If you compare them to the cabled Chinese SM58 knock-offs I had in karaoke rental kits (wholesale $8 each) then the GTD system is a full $18 more than the cheapest mics on the planet.
What do you lose with cheap mics?
Shock Mount
Cheap mics have no real shock mount and the result is very high handling noise, including resutling sounds from wireless handhelds and cable movement on cabled mics.
Frequency Response
Typically falls in the nominal range of 60Hz - 12kH with an effective response of perhaps 80Hz to 10kHz. You find these in retail karaoke which benefits from inadvertent low and high frequency roll off on either side of the typical voice range. However, performance across the middle spectrum is anything but uniform. The danger here - is that regular users actually train themselves to appreciate and prefer poor quality sound.
Pop Filters
These will be Insufficient or non-existent and combined with the lack of shock mount and poor quality element results in very poor performance especially in very active environments (talkover, crowd noise, wind, etc.)
Quality elements
Low quality elements are what is responsible for the poor sound performance as described by the OP. The mic simply cannot handle moderate and high pressure levels without serious distortion. Combine that with all the noise artifacts cite above and you can easily lose all intelligibility in the signal.
Future Business
Making people sound really good and flawless voice presentation is as basic as good vision. Bad mics are every bit as distressing to listeners as not wearing their eyeglasses. It really stands out and determines the lens through which the standard or your work is viewed.
Where can you use cheap mics?
Certain karaoke settings, such as children and drunk adults with no real singing ability. For these folks it's about the fun of making noise more than it is any kind of singing performance. And.. the mics are easily repaired or disposable so there's no need to charge people a damage fee when their David Lee Roth impression sends a mic flying out the 7th floor window.
Yet, a karaoke bar that attracts dedicated amateur and semi-pro singers has to step up their game and would never survive if the gig didn't meet at least the minimum standards for live signers.
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I don't think we are referring to the same GTD mics. I think you are talking about the VHF ones at that cost. Add another $200..... Yes, I know $329 is still less expensive, but not $26 per mic. Or, if you do have a source for the G-787 for $129, please let me know where! I can add some more toys for karaoke.
I can accept that but, you're still talking about a $65 wireless mic - making GTD the new Radio Shack.
I don't know all the various GTD models I just know enough to not go there. This GTD mic value is no more than a 3-pack of Gaff tape: Black, White & Gray - an equally fitting description of GTD mic sound.
https://www.amazon.com/GTD-Audio-G-...e=UTF8&qid=1539887922&sr=8-8&keywords=gtd+mic
This is what I'm using. Very happy with the performance.
GTD Audio G-787H UHF Diversity Wireless Microphone System, by GTD Audio $329.00
You two are among a lucky select group.
Give it up... You’re cherry picking...
Out of 288 reviews for the GTD Audio G-787H...
... and out of 159 reviews for the Shure BLX288/PG58...
Seems about 80% are among the “lucky select group” no matter which brand you choose.[emoji1]
... Average review is slightly better for the GTD than the Shure (4.3 to 4.2).
Out of 288 reviews for the GTD Audio G-787H...
... and out of 159 reviews for the Shure BLX288/PG58...
Seems about 80% are among the “lucky select group” no matter which brand you choose.[emoji1]
... Average review is slightly better for the GTD than the Shure (4.3 to 4.2).