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The continuous battle over what is and what's not legal about reselling music has been discussed and hashed over in great detail. All the legal action/copyright infringement ect. discussion has been beaten to death on this and other forums. In this instance, how is this legal and if it's not, how is it not being a problem? Out of curiosity, I purchased one of the USB drives with about 600 songs. All songs sounded good, no quality issues, many top 40, worthy songs.

600.. 60's 70's 80's Oldies Music mp3 Songs on a | Etsy
 

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Can not sell "the music", but can sell the physical media as long you you delete any secondary copies you made from them. So, physical media reselling is fine .. digital reselling is not.

Maybe they paid the appropriate licensing fees ????
 
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The continuous battle over what is and what's not legal about reselling music has been discussed and hashed over in great detail. All the legal action/copyright infringement ect. discussion has been beaten to death on this and other forums. In this instance, how is this legal and if it's not, how is it not being a problem? Out of curiosity, I purchased one of the USB drives with about 600 songs. All songs sounded good, no quality issues, many top 40, worthy songs.

600.. 60's 70's 80's Oldies Music mp3 Songs on a | Etsy
It's only illegal if you get caught...I am surprised Etsy has allowed it though

I'm almost certain no one cares anymore. You can get perfectly legal music from Apple, Amazon, and several other sources for next to nothing the average person doesn't even see it as a commodity any more. The cost to enforce piracy is probably higher than the rewards there are so many doing it now
 
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Maybe they paid the appropriate licensing fees ????
It's just modern day piracy.
If they had acquired the compulsory license and permissions that information would be on the product.

The music industry has shifted to digital media because it's more profitable to sell MP3 than to manufacture CD and all the graphics and packaging that entails.

Pirates are doing the same. No more time and money wasted on forgery, duplication, and copycat manufacturing when you can just stuff a thumb drive in a matter of seconds.

Do this at you own risk.
 
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The cost to enforce piracy is probably higher than the rewards there are so many doing it now
No true, Piracy is actively pursued in the U.S.

The issue with things like these thumb drives is that they are coming from China and other countries and the origin is very hard to trace. It's difficult to enforce U.S. or International Law in a foreign country. U.S. - China trade relations and similar Trump policies have been one of the measure's employed to put pressure on these foreign governments that are allowing this. Counterfeit goods diminish U.S. manufactures because the inevitable quality issues accrue to the band name rather than the pirate.

Etsy, eBay and all online sellers are full of counterfeit products and it takes time to sort them all out. They rely very heavily on you and me to report pirated and knock off goods to get them out of their listings.
 

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The music industry has shifted to digital media because it's more profitable to sell MP3 than to manufacture CD and all the graphics and packaging that entails.
Yes it is cheaper and more profitable but that's not the reason Napster was the reason and the recording industry were horribly late to the game on the whole thing

No true, Piracy is actively pursued in the U.S.
Really? They are doing a fabulous job. Check any city edition of Craigslist there are thousands for sale across the USA and most much larger than the one posted. Ten years ago I would agree with you not so much now
 
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Yes it is cheaper and more profitable but that's not the reason Napster was the reason
Napster no longer exists. It's not the reason for anything,
At worse, it showed the music industry what consumers really want for their money - which is (and always has been) convenience.

The U.S. agencies working on piracy don't report to individual Canadian citizen-DJs. Let's not confuse your personal ignorance with any lack of enforcement. :)
 

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Napster no longer exists. It's not the reason for anything,
At worse, it showed the music industry what consumers really want for their money - which is (and always has been) convenience.


Napster still exists it just looks very different now. There's also a million other places to get free music Napster was the catalyst for that and the catalyst for record companies offering that convenience. It would have eventually happened I suppose Napster and it's counterparts sped up the process

The U.S. agencies working on piracy don't report to individual Canadian citizen-DJs. Let's not confuse your personal ignorance with any lack of enforcement. :)
No but they usually report to the media so they can get their much needed pat on the back. The RIAA pulled the plug years ago for the most part. The KIAA which many here supported ceased to exist. Sure if it happens directly under their noses they will likely do something but for the most part as I said before no one cares
 
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Napster still exists it just looks very different now. There's also a million other places to get free music Napster was the catalyst for that and the catalyst for record companies offering that convenience. It would have eventually happened I suppose Napster and it's counterparts sped up the process
Napster is not “Napster“

someone bought the name Napster, rhapsody, I think.

today it’s a very typical streaming service. Nothing like a P2P
 
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I never used Napster .. I was a Limewire guy ..
 
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Napster is not “Napster“

someone bought the name Napster, rhapsody, I think.

today it’s a very typical streaming service. Nothing like a P2P
That's what I meant by it looks very different now
 
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I never used Napster .. I was a Limewire guy ..
I wasn't a fan of Limewire I did like Kazaa though and there was another one that looked identical to Napster I can't recall the name of
 

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Napster still exists it just looks very different now. There's also a million other places to get free music Napster was the catalyst for that and the catalyst for record companies offering that convenience. It would have eventually happened I suppose Napster and it's counterparts sped up the process

No but they usually report to the media so they can get their much needed pat on the back. The RIAA pulled the plug years ago for the most part. The KIAA which many here supported ceased to exist. Sure if it happens directly under their noses they will likely do something but for the most part as I said before no one cares
The RIAA represents member record labels. They are not copyright owners or police. They are lawyers - and they pissed off the Congressional Committee on Copyrights by constantly over-stepping the legislative intent of U.S. Title 17. The RIAA has simply refrained from suing unwitting consumers because it was undermining public perception of their client labels and producers.

Do you have a point or are you simply attempting to justify your own unauthorized uses ?
 

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The RIAA represents member record labels. They are not copyright owners or police. They are lawyers - and they pissed off the Congressional Committee on Copyrights by constantly over-stepping the legislative intent of U.S. Title 17. The RIAA has simply refrained from suing unwitting consumers because it was undermining public perception of their client labels and producers.

Do you have a point or are you simply attempting to justify your own unauthorized uses ?
Just for reference my library is legal but thanks for playing

I made my point ages ago and you just reiterated it. There is no one enforcing piracy laws because no one really cares. Services are selling you this humongous library for less than $10 a month (Legality for DJ's is questionable) you can actually download to a device and have a digital file with you and the rest is there to stream depending on connection at the venue.

Barring that you can subscribe to a service for very little money a month. I can't speak for them all but I use Xtendamix and I get 100 selections a month for just under $50 and that includes licensing and the right to convert to MP3

With all the options why bother pirating or chasing those who do? There is no real endgame to busting these people that's why they are so easy to find

There's a guy in my market that advertises over 1.5 Million songs. I have about 30,000. If that's all that separates him and I I deserve to lose
 

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Just for reference my library is legal but thanks for playing

I made my point ages ago and you just reiterated it. There is no one enforcing piracy laws because no one really cares. Services are selling you this humongous library for less than $10 a month (Legality for DJ's is questionable) you can actually download to a device and have a digital file with you and the rest is there to stream depending on connection at the venue.

Barring that you can subscribe to a service for very little money a month. I can't speak for them all but I use Xtendamix and I get 100 selections a month for just under $50 and that includes licensing and the right to convert to MP3

With all the options why bother pirating or chasing those who do? There is no real endgame to busting these people that's why they are so easy to find

There's a guy in my market that advertises over 1.5 Million songs. I have about 30,000. If that's all that separates him and I I deserve to lose
I have subscribed to music services for years. Today it’s promo only. I think there’s 44,000 songs on my computers. I’d much prefer to have the song on my computers than rely on streaming.
Having said that, I’ll have no issue playing a streamed song If I need it.
I was using Spotify but moved to tidal as it works with djay pro. As we know, Spotify no longer does

I truly believe no cares if I play a streamed song at an event, regardless of the service.
 
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I have subscribed to music services for years. Today it’s promo only. I think there’s 44,000 songs on my computers. I’d much prefer to have the song on my computers than rely on streaming.
Having said that, I’ll have no issue playing a streamed song If I need it.
I was using Spotify but moved to tidal as it works with djay pro. As we know, Spotify no longer does

I truly believe no cares if I play a streamed song at an event, regardless of the service.
I remember one client ever asking where I got my music and it was more of curiosity than legality. I've had several at dances asking where they could get a library. Most couldn't care less as long as you get the job done.

I'll never be streaming on a regular basis there are many remote locations I play with spotty internet/cell service it just wouldn't work out
 
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I made my point ages ago ... There is no one enforcing piracy laws because no one really cares.
There's a guy in my market that advertises over 1.5 Million songs. I have about 30,000. If that's all that separates him and I I deserve to lose
I see.
Your pissed off because there's no "authority" to place a gold star on your forehead that reads "REAL DJ."
The thing that separates isn't the music - it's the Napoleon complex. You're arguing stature not piracy.
 
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I see.
Your pissed off because there's no "authority" to place a gold star on your forehead that reads "REAL DJ."
The thing that separates isn't the music - it's the Napoleon complex. You're arguing stature not piracy.
No actually if you have been following along I really don't care if it's enforced, I don't care how you or anyone else gets their music, and I could care less how many songs you have in your library although I'm sure you have told us before. None of it has any affect on me whatsoever. Actually the point I made since my first post is no one cares anymore. When you were trying to lock everyone and their mother up 15 years ago I didn't care then either...
 
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