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If I were re-buying today I think I'd be leaning towards the Alto units. Bang for the buck, I don't think there's anything close to matching up. They're incredibly light weight, cheap and they sound good.

I saw the prices on those,,,,, cost seems to make me think that they are like beringer, or Pyle (well maybe not that cheap)

I will take a look at these again?

just read the reviews on Guitar center,,,,, they all seem legit. I can usually pick up on the bullshit reviews from the manufacturer.
 
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Are they truly cut rate products, or are the other products priced too high in relation to the actual production cost of the product?

A few things to note: The DJ Biz Product industry has grown much more main stream than it was 10+ years ago. Technology is advancing, and therefore prices are coming down. It's happening on everything.

Another note: People in general have less expendable income today than years ago, and the DJ Community is not immune to that consensus. As time marches on, more DJs will look at what's more important. Splurging dollars on equipment, or Saving as many dollars as they can while still purchasing equipment.

The DBX Go Rack is a perfect example. It was priced at $99 for like a year. Nobody really talked about it, and they probably didn't move many units. All of a sudden a sale of $29 occurs, and DJs everywhere flocks to buying it. They are looking at the purchase as a deal, and they just saved $70. Most didn't think they "needed" the unit when the cost was $99 either. Speaking for myself...I never would have purchased it had the price stayed $99.

If a low priced product works well for what it is intended to do, then it's more likely DJs will purchase it over the much higher priced products out there. The fact is that the lower priced gear is not junk any more, and is MUCH, MUCH better than it was 20 years ago due to tech advance.

As far as another forum for cut rate products, it probably would get a lot of action from DJs checking it out. Ultimately it would probably make the DJ Gear forum real quiet as all the enticing product purchase ideas would reside in that forum.

I'm pretty sure they're cut-rate .. that's not the same as they won't work .. and I've owned a lot of them over the years to know that quality costs in most instances.

I have no issue with "bargains", for example the dbx GoRack, certainly was a bargain for what it does. But the actual hard costs for that product are relatively low .. most of the cost being in the software development, which is more of a soft cost, and easier to discount should they decide a new version is forthcoming.

Cheap stuff works .. to a point .. better stuff (and that's not always the same as more expensive) works better in most cases.

To each their own.
 
Another note: People in general have less expendable income today than years ago, and the DJ Community is not immune to that consensus. As time marches on, more DJs will look at what's more important. Splurging dollars on equipment, or Saving as many dollars as they can while still purchasing equipment.

The DBX Go Rack is a perfect example. It was priced at $99 for like a year. Nobody really talked about it, and they probably didn't move many units. All of a sudden a sale of $29 occurs, and DJs everywhere flocks to buying it. They are looking at the purchase as a deal, and they just saved $70. Most didn't think they "needed" the unit when the cost was $99 either. Speaking for myself...I never would have purchased it had the price stayed $99.

If a low priced product works well for what it is intended to do, then it's more likely DJs will purchase it over the much higher priced products out there. The fact is that the lower priced gear is not junk any more, and is MUCH, MUCH better than it was 20 years ago due to tech advance.

As far as another forum for cut rate products, it probably would get a lot of action from DJs checking it out. Ultimately it would probably make the DJ Gear forum real quiet as all the enticing product purchase ideas would reside in that forum.

That's why I always say I would never start a business where my main customer was DJ's lol

As I mentioned budget isn't my top concern but at the same time I don't want to pay a major amount for something I can get of equal quality for less
 
That's why I always say I would never start a business where my main customer was DJ's lol

As I mentioned budget isn't my top concern but at the same time I don't want to pay a major amount for something I can get of equal quality for less

That is why I suggested the Yamaha DXR or even looing at RCF. $3,000 is a real good budget for a pair of speakers. Plus you mentioned you want 750 watts RMS per speaker.

However, if you choose to save most of that money, and put it towards something else, and figure you don't really need 750 watts RMS per speaker for the events you do, then Alto TS2 series is what I would recommend.
 
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Another note: People in general have less expendable income today than years ago, and the DJ Community is not immune to that consensus. As time marches on, more DJs will look at what's more important. Splurging dollars on equipment, or Saving as many dollars as they can while still purchasing equipment.

I don't know that it's a fact that people have less expendable income. More and more luxury SUV's and performance cars are being purchased instead of 'budget friendly' cars. New houses in rural MD are going for 300k and up and they're selling them faster than they can build them. Living in the city, is expensive - yet plenty of people are doing it - and a bunch have some really nice cars. Clients and guests are still paying a premium for event entertainment. Is that 'important' vs other things in ones life?

To toss things in a similar pan, why should someone pay you more than the lower priced people - considering what you do and what they do .. is 'basically the same thing'?

I'm pretty sure they're cut-rate .. that's not the same as they won't work .. and I've owned a lot of them over the years to know that quality costs in most instances.

I have no issue with "bargains", for example the dbx GoRack, certainly was a bargain for what it does. But the actual hard costs for that product are relatively low .. most of the cost being in the software development, which is more of a soft cost, and easier to discount should they decide a new version is forthcoming.

Cheap stuff works .. to a point .. better stuff (and that's not always the same as more expensive) works better in most cases.

To each their own.

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I don't know that it's a fact that people have less expendable income. More and more luxury SUV's and performance cars are being purchased instead of 'budget friendly' cars. New houses in rural MD are going for 300k and up and they're selling them faster than they can build them. Living in the city, is expensive - yet plenty of people are doing it - and a bunch have some really nice cars. Clients and guests are still paying a premium for event entertainment. Is that 'important' vs other things in ones life?

To toss things in a similar pan, why should someone pay you more than the lower priced people - considering what you do and what they do .. is 'basically the same thing'?



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Montgomery County, MD, Howard County, lower Frederick County, and other high cost of living/higher income top counties are not representative of the world.

If you look at Rent in Montgomery County, it's getting out of control. More people are shacking up and sharing apartments. Just go into the indian and hispanic neighborhoods! The ones that don't are often finding themselves tying to afford an apartment that costs 50% or more of their monthly income when Apartment rent shouldn't be higher than 28% of monthly income.

Don't get to thinking everything is hunky dory. The next housing bubble will occur at some point. People's wallets will crunch real quick, and the electronics market will stagnate because people aren't going to throw down lots of money on that stuff.

As far as providing DJ Services. If I believed I could truly charge considerably more, I would. I think part of the reason I get booked often is because I keep prices at a good value point.

I could have chose not to purchase the Alto speakers, and gone with Harbinger, Rockville, Pyle. Behringer, or Kustom :)

However, I saw the Great Value in Alto speakers and decided they were a solid purchase.
 
That is why I suggested the Yamaha DXR or even looing at RCF. $3,000 is a real good budget for a pair of speakers. Plus you mentioned you want 750 watts RMS per speaker.

$3000 is a fair budget. It's generally 25-30% more expensive here in Canada on most speakers, the exception may be Yorkville they are made in Canada. For example in the US you guys pay about $699 from what I've seen for Yamaha DXR 12s. Here in Canada it's $999. There's also 15% sales tax in Nova Scotia.

That budget isn't set in stone. I would be willing to go higher or spend less the big thing is I want to be happy with the purchase.

RCF make fine speakers I'm sure I know those that have them like them. To the client also they may sound great too but I'm the one who has to listen to them every night and like I said before they just sound off to my ear
 
Psssst! Bravo-Ocean-Sam-Edward

F1-812 (1000 watt) w/F1 Sub (100watt), 132db SPL . $1,199.00 each piece. 10% off in November. Free shipping. No tax.

Oh wait. You're in Canada. Is there a way I can drive them across the border and visit Halifax again as a write off?
 
I guess I have to ask the stupid question, is there something you don't particularly like about your NX55's, or are you thinking they may become unreliable due to age?
 
I guess I have to ask the stupid question, is there something you don't particularly like about your NX55's, or are you thinking they may become unreliable due to age?

No I'm quite happy with the NX55 I'm just thinking it's time for a change. I've been running one pair 5 yrs and the other 6 with no issue whatsoever. One of the ones I've been considering are the NX55-2 as a replacement. They spec out nice but I haven't test drove them yet

Psssst! Bravo-Ocean-Sam-Edward

F1-812 (1000 watt) w/F1 Sub (100watt), 132db SPL . $1,199.00 each piece. 10% off in November. Free shipping. No tax.

Oh wait. You're in Canada. Is there a way I can drive them across the border and visit Halifax again as a write off?

That is a heck of a deal Cap and getting to meet up with you would be better than new speakers :)
 
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No I'm quite happy with the NX55 I'm just thinking it's time for a change. I've been running one pair 5 yrs and the other 6 with no issue whatsoever.

If you haven't been beating them to death, they should be fine. The woofer surrounds aren't the kind that decompose, and
by using them, it puts a polarizing voltage across the electrolytic caps (in the internal amplifiers) so they don't chemically eat themselves to death.

I have no personal experience with them, but from their specs I'd think they'd sound as good as most 12" two-ways with a 1" throat horn driver and 2khz xover - in fact , Yorkville's horn/waveguide is probably as good or better than most.

Of course, if you've got an itch for a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, you're just gonna have to scratch it!
 
Montgomery County, MD, Howard County, lower Frederick County, and other high cost of living/higher income top counties are not representative of the world.

If you look at Rent in Montgomery County, it's getting out of control. More people are shacking up and sharing apartments. Just go into the indian and hispanic neighborhoods! The ones that don't are often finding themselves tying to afford an apartment that costs 50% or more of their monthly income when Apartment rent shouldn't be higher than 28% of monthly income.

Don't get to thinking everything is hunky dory. The next housing bubble will occur at some point. People's wallets will crunch real quick, and the electronics market will stagnate because people aren't going to throw down lots of money on that stuff.

As far as providing DJ Services. If I believed I could truly charge considerably more, I would. I think part of the reason I get booked often is because I keep prices at a good value point.

I could have chose not to purchase the Alto speakers, and gone with Harbinger, Rockville, Pyle. Behringer, or Kustom :)

However, I saw the Great Value in Alto speakers and decided they were a solid purchase.

I disagree. You will find areas all across this great nation, just like Baltimore, DC, Howard, Anne Arundel, MoCo and Frederick Counties. Some of the numbers may be skewed but the ratios are the same.

When you rent a living space, there is no document that I'm aware of that says what percentage of your income should pay for rent. The owner charges 'x' amount - if you like it and can afford it, then you accept it.

As for hispanic and other ethnic neighborhoods, been there seen that. The hispanic / indian neighborhoods in Silver Spring that I am most familiar with, are mostly single family homes - and properly maintained houses from the 40's are selling in the 300k ballpark. Occupants are typically 1 normal family. That same house in Houston would probably be 80/90k (and the area salary adjusts to match). That same house in the cornfields of Podunk, Iowa is probably 50/60k - and again, area salary adjusts to match.

I don't think anyone is knocking Alto speakers. I think some of us have a hard time understanding why you seem to believe that a cheap item is the same as a quality engineered item. You stated yourself that they're the same. Using that same definition means that you are then the same as the guy charging $50/hr. Do you believe your service is not worth more than others that are low priced in your area? Do you believe it is not better than other people? Even in your neck of the woods, there are guys charging way under what you do.

Based on what I read from you, if you were a property owner, you would be charging rent just as high (or higher) than others in your area / arena. Wouldn't that make you just as bad as the very people you speak of (that are charging more than the 28% you claim)?

If so many people have less expendable income, have you considered dropping your rates to help them out?
 
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I disagree. You will find areas all across this great nation, just like Baltimore, DC, Howard, Anne Arundel, MoCo and Frederick Counties. Some of the numbers may be skewed but the ratios are the same.

When you rent a living space, there is no document that I'm aware of that says what percentage of your income should pay for rent. The owner charges 'x' amount - if you like it and can afford it, then you accept it.

As for hispanic and other ethnic neighborhoods, been there seen that. The hispanic / indian neighborhoods in Silver Spring that I am most familiar with, are mostly single family homes - and properly maintained houses from the 40's are selling in the 300k ballpark. Occupants are typically 1 normal family. That same house in Houston would probably be 80/90k (and the area salary adjusts to match). That same house in the cornfields of Podunk, Iowa is probably 50/60k - and again, area salary adjusts to match.

I don't think anyone is knocking Alto speakers. I think some of us have a hard time understanding why you seem to believe that a cheap item is the same as a quality engineered item. You stated yourself that they're the same. Using that same definition means that you are then the same as the guy charging $50/hr. Do you believe your service is not worth more than others that are low priced in your area? Do you believe it is not better than other people? Even in your neck of the woods, there are guys charging way under what you do.

Based on what I read from you, if you were a property owner, you would be charging rent just as high (or higher) than others in your area / arena. Wouldn't that make you just as bad as the very people you speak of (that are charging more than the 28% you claim)?

If so many people have less expendable income, have you considered dropping your rates to help them out?

The 28% mark actually comes from a economy class I took in high school. Go ahead and google it...

What percent of income should be rent?
A: Many financial planners and housing experts advise people to spend no more than 30 percent of their gross income on rent. That doesn't count utilities. This is a general guideline.


I don't believe that a cheap item is the exact same as a more expensive item. When did I say that? I have simply vouched for ALto Speakers.

The problem is that there seems to be a group of people who are looking for ways to knock lower priced brands because they don't want to admit that they themselves have spent more money than they had to on particular electronics products. That and/or they have some sort of super brand loyalty to higher priced products and because of that they tend to talk a lot of crap about lower priced gear.

The fact remains that Alto speakers are selling better than the other brands. They managed to come out with the lightest weight speaker design that works for DJs, Bands, Churches, Venues, others.

Again, you are trying to compare buying a material product to people who are providing a service.

I am actually all for a prospect booking a $50 an hour DJ if that is all they personally feel their budget will allow. I don't want them paying me over their budget. I also feel there is a direct reason why a DJ charges $50 an hour. At the same token, if a customer chooses to spend a lot more on a DJ than what I am charging, then have at it. I'm not going to tell them they are foolish, and spending too much money on a DJ. I say kudos to that guy for being able to book them at a much higher price.

Hiring a DJ is something that most people do ONCE, or TWICE in their entire life time. If they choose to only spend $50 an hour on booking a DJ, then so be it.

Here's a couple of links regarding rent/mortgage being too high.
The rent is too damn high for millennials in the US

More working-class families spend half of income on rent


I talk with plenty of parents at my child's school where they say the cost of Rent/Mortgage is generally keeping them from affording the finer things in life. Parents asked me about my son's pedal cart when he is out riding it around the neighborhood, where can they get one for their child. After I told them they can get it on Amazon, and it costs $299, their reactions were all negative. "Oh no, that's too expensive...we won't be buying that for xxxx"

Around here, Aldi Market is the biggest growing chain. More and more people are shopping there to save money on discount food. The Giant is down to only having 3 lanes open, and utilizing Self Scanning registers. You don't see as many people with shopping carts full of food at Giant these days. Most people go in there just for a few things. They go to Wal Mart or Aldi to get the bulk of stuff. They spend their money on lower priced items because money is tight due to a large chunk of their pay going to the roof over their heads.
 
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I don't believe that a cheap item is the exact same as a more expensive item. When did I say that? I have simply vouched for ALto Speakers.

The problem is that there seems to be a group of people who are looking for ways to knock lower priced brands because they don't want to admit that they themselves have spent more money than they had to on particular electronics products. That and/or they have some sort of super brand loyalty to higher priced products and because of that they tend to talk a lot of crap about lower priced gear.

The fact remains that Alto speakers are selling better than the other brands. They managed to come out with the lightest weight speaker design that works for DJs, Bands, Churches, Venues, others.

I don't look to knock lower priced gear, but I have an engineering background and I'm pragmatic enough to know there are tradeoffs that manufacturers make to meet certain price points. This isn't a closed market .. The RCFs and db Technologies and others that sit at the higher end of the mid-market have to compete with the Samsons and the American Audios at the other end. I also understand for some that price IS a major constraint, and have no issue with someone looking for "value" to be buying a lower tiered product out of necessity. I cherish "great values" too .. I have many products where they meet a need and sit at the lower end of the price scale.

Brand loyalty comes from a respect of the consistency of both quality and ongoing innovation. I am brand loyal to Apple for that .. I am brand loyal to many audio manufacturers for that (RCF, JBL, Allen&Heath, Yamaha). Others have failed me enough over time (Behringer) that I might cherry pick a piece because of short-term value, but realize that value may be fleeting.
 
If you haven't been beating them to death, they should be fine. The woofer surrounds aren't the kind that decompose, and
by using them, it puts a polarizing voltage across the electrolytic caps (in the internal amplifiers) so they don't chemically eat themselves to death.

I have no personal experience with them, but from their specs I'd think they'd sound as good as most 12" two-ways with a 1" throat horn driver and 2khz xover - in fact , Yorkville's horn/waveguide is probably as good or better than most.

Of course, if you've got an itch for a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, you're just gonna have to scratch it!

I wouldn't say I've beat them but they have been very well used. They still sound good and perform top notch I just like to move on every few years and prevent problems before they start. My local L&M will likely take a trade toward the new ones if I go that way and my old ones will end up in rentals. I normally don't sell older gear I find uses for it but I'm running out of room to store it
 
I wouldn't say I've beat them but they have been very well used. They still sound good and perform top notch I just like to move on every few years and prevent problems before they start. My local L&M will likely take a trade toward the new ones if I go that way and my old ones will end up in rentals. I normally don't sell older gear I find uses for it but I'm running out of room to store it
Have you looked at the Yorkville Parasource? They sounded pretty nice in the limited time I listened .. not sure if they are a better value being from Canada.
 
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Have you looked at the Yorkville Parasource? They sounded pretty nice in the limited time I listened .. not sure if they are a better value being from Canada.

I had looked at the Parasource a couple of years ago. I never did get around to taking them out I think I will soon though
 
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The 28% mark actually comes from a economy class I took in high school. Go ahead and google it...

What percent of income should be rent?
A: Many financial planners and housing experts advise people to spend no more than 30 percent of their gross income on rent. That doesn't count utilities. This is a general guideline.


I don't believe that a cheap item is the exact same as a more expensive item. When did I say that? I have simply vouched for ALto Speakers.

The problem is that there seems to be a group of people who are looking for ways to knock lower priced brands because they don't want to admit that they themselves have spent more money than they had to on particular electronics products. That and/or they have some sort of super brand loyalty to higher priced products and because of that they tend to talk a lot of crap about lower priced gear.

The fact remains that Alto speakers are selling better than the other brands. They managed to come out with the lightest weight speaker design that works for DJs, Bands, Churches, Venues, others.

Again, you are trying to compare buying a material product to people who are providing a service.

I am actually all for a prospect booking a $50 an hour DJ if that is all they personally feel their budget will allow. I don't want them paying me over their budget. I also feel there is a direct reason why a DJ charges $50 an hour. At the same token, if a customer chooses to spend a lot more on a DJ than what I am charging, then have at it. I'm not going to tell them they are foolish, and spending too much money on a DJ. I say kudos to that guy for being able to book them at a much higher price.

Hiring a DJ is something that most people do ONCE, or TWICE in their entire life time. If they choose to only spend $50 an hour on booking a DJ, then so be it.

Here's a couple of links regarding rent/mortgage being too high.
The rent is too damn high for millennials in the US

More working-class families spend half of income on rent


I talk with plenty of parents at my child's school where they say the cost of Rent/Mortgage is generally keeping them from affording the finer things in life. Parents asked me about my son's pedal cart when he is out riding it around the neighborhood, where can they get one for their child. After I told them they can get it on Amazon, and it costs $299, their reactions were all negative. "Oh no, that's too expensive...we won't be buying that for xxxx"

Around here, Aldi Market is the biggest growing chain. More and more people are shopping there to save money on discount food. The Giant is down to only having 3 lanes open, and utilizing Self Scanning registers. You don't see as many people with shopping carts full of food at Giant these days. Most people go in there just for a few things. They go to Wal Mart or Aldi to get the bulk of stuff. They spend their money on lower priced items because money is tight due to a large chunk of their pay going to the roof over their heads.

As for stats in an economy class, possibly. Real world, completely different. If everyone followed what their economy classes taught them, they would also be smart enough to manage their money better and carry little debt, forgoing the urges of must have/buy now. They would also most likely live near their jobs and not live in a city .. or buy fancy SUV's or performance cars. The Giant Eagle's on this side are always packed. Aldi's has people in it too but not near what Giant Eagle (Stop & Shop) does. Giant Eagle also offers way more than Aldi does.

The actual number you're talking about is based on 'Brooke's Law' from 1969 to help the poorest of the poor afford housing - and more of the story is in the following link.

Housing's 30-Percent-of-Income Rule Is Nearly Useless

Ignore the ‘30 Percent Rule’ When It Comes to Rent

Alot of people shop at wal-mart simply because the prices are lower. Part of the reason wal-marts prices are low is because they buy in bulk. In turn, they are destroying the community stores - and the local store is stuck because they simply cannot afford to lower their price. They don't buy the same bulk that wal-mart does. Take that logic forward and wal-mart, who buys most of their stuff overseas btw, which also pays a lower wage, has closed and will continue to close local shops until they are no more. When they are no more and US manufacturing shops close up (because community stores aren't buying anything) - leaving more people unemployed, then who is to blame? Is it the local store for not lowering their price and paying employees more - or the buyer for buying lesser quality items from outside the US?

You did say that something cheap is the same thing as something expensive - chinese lighting - they're 'basically the same'. Alto may be a decent speaker but they are not selling better than other brands. The brand names will outsell any of the lower end - by a large margin. Hiring a DJ is something some people do once, ie: a couples wedding, etc. I have repeat customers often.

I bet some of these parents do have some of the finer things in life. Not many people are 'house poor' anymore from what I have seen? Again, look how many fancy vehicles you see on the road. That's all expendable income.

On a similar plane as your pedal car, back in the 90's, I bought my son a VW bug pedal car. In my neighborhood there were plenty of people that had the money to buy one - but to them, this was not worth the price - they had better/other things they wanted to do with their money. To them, the value was not there. To me, it was.

We are not knocking a cheap item because we over spent. We have bought many a cheap item and have learned along the road what quality items are. Again, if you have a Chevy Traverse for 30k and a chinese Traverse for 15k, will people buy the chinese one? Yep. Is it the same? Nope.
 
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Hiring a DJ is something some people do once, ie: a couples wedding, etc. I have repeat customers often.

I bet some of these parents do have some of the finer things in life. Not many people are 'house poor' anymore from what I have seen? Again, look how many fancy vehicles you see on the road. That's all expendable income.

Some DJ's certainly do depend on repeat business. 85-90% of my business is someone I have worked for before or has referred me or seen me at an event. I did an event about a month ago there were 5 couples there that I did their wedding in the last 7 or 8 years. There's almost always one couple that I have played their wedding at most events I do. I've done several 25th anniversaries that I did their wedding.

There is one young girl that I have done a Birthday party for since she was 8 years old. We did her Sweet 16 this year I've been doing one for her younger sister for 4 or 5 years now.

If it wasn't for repeat business I'd actually have to work hard at getting gigs lol
 
Some DJ's certainly do depend on repeat business. 85-90% of my business is someone I have worked for before or has referred me or seen me at an event. I did an event about a month ago there were 5 couples there that I did their wedding in the last 7 or 8 years. There's almost always one couple that I have played their wedding at most events I do. I've done several 25th anniversaries that I did their wedding.

There is one young girl that I have done a Birthday party for since she was 8 years old. We did her Sweet 16 this year I've been doing one for her younger sister for 4 or 5 years now.

If it wasn't for repeat business I'd actually have to work hard at getting gigs lol

I agree - I also get repeat, referral and word of mouth events. I would hope that most of us do. I posted my message in response to Ricky's.

Hiring a DJ is something that most people do ONCE, or TWICE in their entire life time. If they choose to only spend $50 an hour on booking a DJ, then so be it.

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Hiring a DJ is something some people do once, ie: a couples wedding, etc. I have repeat customers often.
 
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