I purchased a Harbinger MLS1000 Speaker system

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sawdust123 said:
The industry used to publish RMS, program and peak for passive speakers. RMS was how much heat the speaker could continuously dissipate without destruction. Program takes into account that music has a higher crest factor than the sine waves used to measure RMS levels. They typically added 3 dB to the RMS rating, Peak was another 3 dB higher but this rating was really a never-to-exceed rating where one could cause instantaneous damage to the speaker. So if something was 108 dBa RMS, its program rating would be 111 and peak would be 114 dBa. These ratings were useful in matching a power amp to a passive speaker. You typically wanted an amp that could cleanly produce the program power wattage.

This rating method has no real value with powered speakers as the amp is built in. The other big difference to consider is dispersion pattern. The speaker ratings are usually done at 1 meter. A horn speaker concentrates the power into a beam (e.g. 90 degrees wide x 40 degrees tall) where a tower speaker radiates in a wide pattern (e.g. 120-180 degrees wide by 20 degrees tall). Each is suited for different applications therefore comparing SPL specs is difficult.
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My old Peavey SP2’s from 1985ish are rated 250 watts they can play significantly louder and clearer than most of the cheap new self powered speakers with 1000 watt plus ratings, I keep thinking I should gig with them again, until I have to move one for some reason
 
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tunes4046 said:
My old Peavey SP2’s from 1985ish are rated 250 watts they can play significantly louder and clearer than most of the cheap new self powered speakers with 1000 watt plus ratings, I keep thinking I should gig with them again, until I have to move one for some reason
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I bought a pair of used Peavey SP2G speakers when I first came back and they were GREAT!
 
rickryan.com said:
I dunno but I can tell you these boxes are plenty loud for anything I've thrown at them. They're certainly way more than 108, just by listening to them.
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We have to pick our speakers to match the application. These tower arrays with sub are aimed specifically at portable music applications like DJs and independent musical acts. They are light and easily go mobile, fitting neatly in the back of a hatchback or compact car. The dispersion addresses the biggest complaint with DJs and classic box style speakers - the booming directionality and reflections of two boxes on sticks that is often so annoying at a social gathering.

These tower systems are going to sound very different in certain other settings. I've also noticed a lot of DJs are actually using 2 different systems together at events which defeats the purpose of buying something so portable if we end up using twice as much gear to get the results we seek.

A lack of efficiency in the way we address events undermines our ability to do more events and hence develop more clients. A gig is just a gig. Business is repetition and efficiency provides greater availability. Our availability is where we find profit.
 
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ittigger said:
. . . . when something 'comparable' costs half, there's a reason.
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Those reasons may have nothing to do with Ricky's need or application. Sometimes is not the quality of the gear so much as the risk management associated with the brand that is responsible for the high price, or both,

Someone once told me that they never see or hear complaints about Bose - and Bose is pro-active about buy backs which is why there's so much silence. Bose products are not themselves bad, but I'd say their marketing and customer relations far outpaces the impact of defects or customer dissatisfaction. As a result, we only hear about the love relationships.

Then there's the obvious - EV is a more rugged built than Harbinger. But Ricky is a sole user who's likely to baby his new speakers. In a school system price is everything and the budgets are seasonal. Yes, Harbinger may get easily destroyed in that setting - and then they'll buy new ones. (It's taxpayer money.)
 
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Lol....
In my experience, Bose is not proactive about buy backs. They do offer a 60 day return policy.
I found a few of their products not to be the right fit for me.
How that is a negative, I have no idea. They stand by what they sell.
I hear plenty of negative things about Bose.
While most of it is not accurate and often promoted by people who have never used the brand, there are plenty of people who have found other brands to fit their needs better. There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone should use what works for them. However, There is no reason to spread false information about anything.
 
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Scott Hanna said:
Lol....
In my experience, Bose is not proactive about buy backs. They do offer a 60 day return policy.
I found a few of their products not to be the right fit for me.
How that is a negative, I have no idea. They stand by what they sell.
I hear plenty of negative things about Bose.
While most of it is not accurate and often promoted by people who have never used the brand, there are plenty of people who have found other brands to fit their needs better. There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone should use what works for them. However, There is no reason to spread false information about anything.
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I just got word today that Bose is buying back the column array that recently blew up, despite it being more than a year old. They are sending a brand new replacement. So, there goes your theory that Bose is not pro-active about buying back bad news.

When was the last time a Bose sales rep visited your business to demonstrate a new product?
Bose is Headquartered here in MA, just west of Boston. My early club gigs were at a venue outfitted with a fleet of Bose 901s (circa 1984) My most recent gig was at a venue outfitted with an array of Bose pendents. Bose is a constant part of what I do and my choice not to add Bose to my personal inventory is an informed choice.

FYI: Your persistent use of the word "misinformation" does not impart sophistication as would seem to be your intent. Quite the opposite but, most people won't bother to give you a heads up. Find some real language of your own, man up and grow some thicker skin.
 
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I just got word today that Bose is buying back the column array that recently blew up, despite it being more than a year old. They are sending a brand new replacement. So, there goes your theory that Bose is not pro-active about buying back bad news.

When was the last time a Bose sales rep visited your business to demonstrate a new product?
Bose is Headquartered here in MA, just west of Boston. My early club gigs were at a venue outfitted with a fleet of Bose 901s (circa 1984) My most recent gig was at a venue outfitted with an array of Bose pendents. Bose is a constant part of what I do and my choice not to add Bose to my personal inventory is an informed choice.

FYI: Your persistent use of the word "misinformation" does not impart sophistication as would seem to be your intent. Quite the opposite but, most people won't bother to give you a heads up. Find some real language of your own, man up and grow some thicker skin.
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Good for you. Try not being rude, and try not to characterize things in a negative way to fit whatever narrative you are trying to push, which can easily be defined as FALSE or WRONG

A company that stands by their products and take something back if it’s not working being characterized as an aggressive buyback policy to avoid negative comments would be misleading or attempting to paint a good policy as something negative.
Saying these arrays cost thousands to repair each they go back would be false. There is no need to do that. Just like there wasn't any need to spread false information about vaccines, a doctor, or the pandemic, which you did.
You should use whatever equipment fits your needs the best.
I avoided using "misinformation" this time per your request 😁

It's not difficult for anyone else to offer their opinions without being rude or saying things that simply aren't true. I'm not sure why it's so difficult for you.
 
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