I have 50,000 songs - FWIW

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Proformance

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No, I don't.

However, given the contortions people go through over other people's claims of music and karaoke tracks, I'd like to point out something.

Every year Billboard publishes it's list of the Top 100 songs from that year. Could you actually think of 100 songs in any given year that people would care to hear? If you could, (most people can't) then from 1955 to present that would only account for 5,500 songs.

Even if you merge the charts of a half-dozen other genres (County, R&B, Dance, Jazz, etc.) you'd have a hard time reaching a number like 50,000.

I believe my hard drive shows some 15,000 tracks. If you ask me how much music I have I'm gong to give you a number more like 5,000. That's because I figure when I adjust for multiple versions of the same song, outright duplicates, different formats (audio, video, karaoke), plus a lot of crap no one cares about (like 60% of Promo only) - I've got about 5,000 tracks that would be of interest to you.

For the past 25 years 5,000 has been the magic number for me. It best represnted my total vinyl collection, and each of my mobile CD collections, and the targets I used when purchasing for dance clubs and hotels. Anything over 5,000 and I needed to do some serious weeding (it was easy to eliminate things that were never getting played or requested.)

Weeding is important; especially if you are managing music for other DJs or venues. Anything a DJ doesn't need just gets in his way - slowing him down, presenting distractions and potential dance floor killers. It becomes harder for the DJ to connect with the tracks he really needs or wants. The younger or less experienced the DJ - the bigger problem this clutter becomes. Today, with the simplicity of computer filters and hard drives these weeds or "musical dust bunnies" tend too just pile up. It's generally cheaper, easier, and wiser to get a bigger hard drive than waste valuable time weeding computer files. Yet, the magic number representing the "active" collection still seems to be 5,000.

So, how does 5,000 popular tarcks actaully work out in when you carry a trimmed collection to the more diverse world of mobile events? Quite fine actually. If you track such things - you're going to hit 9 out of every 10 requests you receive - because, as I pointed out earlier the list of popular music over the last 50 years isn't that long even when you diversify it.

Having provided supprt services and products I've also had the opportunity to evaluate the music libraries of many other DJs. The same principle applies there as well. DJs carrying around 5 times as many CDs still had collections that boil down to the same magical 5,000 popular tracks. They too suffered from massive duplicates across different compilations, alternate versions, and just plain wasteful organization and useless filler.

Consider this: If you take the top 40 hits of any given year, for the last 50 years, and multiply that across the most useful 5 genres - that's only 10,000 possible tracks of significant interest. (Most DJs don't collect across 5 genres.)

So how fare thee?
 
There is about 15,000 songs on my hard drive as well. When I did a query to see how many of those songs actually got played in the last 2 years, it was about 2200.

However, when a clients asks me how much music I have, I tell them we have a huge database of music ranging back from Al Jolson all the way through songs that came out this month. Its about 60,000 songs on the online database and it grows every month. Feel free to browse through it. You can even look at the most requested songs by decade or overall.

If there is a song they want from the online database that is not yet in the hard drive, I add it.
 
I have a very diverse selection of music in many different genres going all the way back to the 1920s, and I have used many that I wouldn't be carrying if I only had a 5,000 song DJ library. I have 35,000+ DJ songs, 12,000+ just from Promo only disc, of course that does not account for dups!

Using a computer is not the same as carrying the physical disc where I had to pick and choose what CDs to carry to a gig, with computer music the weight and area taken up is the same for 200 songs as it is for 200,000 so it doesn't make sense not to carry it all with you!

Have you never had a patron or guest try to play stump the DJ with you before?
 
I understand your rationale but that to me is better suited for those who are CD based. As one of the previous posters stated, a digital library greatly extends the flexibility of having a vast library that includes not only the hits from now and yesteryear but the ones ripped and added from a CD that some other person likes and may request.
Every so often I discover "new" good songs only because someone requested it and I had it in my library! Ever had a request for a song that you did not like but when played it filled the dance floor?:sqwink:
 
Bob calls it weeding, I call it it cherry picking :D

I keep a very small performance library, for when I do the occasional gratis gig these days. My hand picked top 2000, plus the top 10 in a few genres, will do virtually any gig without breaking a sweat.


Other than some of the things Bob mentioned, I also place a high value on the overhead consumed by a zillion files on a hard drive, and imported into a working library for [insert program of choice]. Slows down sorting, searching, browsing, and just generally adds a lot of extra work the computer needs to do. All that extra work, provides an opportunity for glitches in playback.
 
I have a very diverse selection of music in many different genres going all the way back to the 1920s, and I have used many that I wouldn't be carrying if I only had a 5,000 song DJ library. I have 35,000+ DJ songs, 12,000+ just from Promo only disc, of course that does not account for dups!

Using a computer is not the same as carrying the physical disc where I had to pick and choose what CDs to carry to a gig, with computer music the weight and area taken up is the same for 200 songs as it is for 200,000 so it doesn't make sense not to carry it all with you!

Have you never had a patron or guest try to play stump the DJ with you before?

Yes, even under the conditions of "stump the DJ" 5,000 tracks is 90% effective because, most people do not have even a fraction of the music recall ability that a long time DJ has.

I agree the advantage of the HD is that now my entire collection is with me. So while I know that only 5,000 tracks are required I have at my disposal everything I own.

The reality is however, that collecting music is a bad idea. I'm a DJ not a museum. I'm in the business of playing music - not archiving it. So, I have taken on the process of eliminating dupes, selling off unused or undesired CDs and CD collections I no longer use.

For example, I have Reba McEntire's Greatest Hits (not big in Boston) probably because some bride selected a track as a first dance years ago. I've never used it since, and probably never will. I can wipe if off the drive, sell the CD for $3 and if I get a Reba request in the future - pay only $0.99 to re-acquire the track in question.

Financially it works out like this:

Paid $8 to originally purchase the disc.
Deducted the expense on my taxes (28%)
Actual disc cost = $5.86

Sell the used disc for $4.00
Recovered depreciation/expense ($1.12)
Net sale = $2.88 (almost half the original net cost)

Multiply by 1000 discs I don't need and I've turned what was unused music taking up shelf space back into nearly $3k of cash flow.

If I end up with a REba request in thefuture I first ask the client if they have their own copy - and if not it will only cost me $0.99 to re-acquire the track in question.
 
Bob,

I tend to agree with you but I still have a truck load of vinyl as well!
 
I understand your rationale but that to me is better suited for those who are CD based. As one of the previous posters stated, a digital library greatly extends the flexibility of having a vast library that includes not only the hits from now and yesteryear but the ones ones ripped and added from a CD that some other person likes and may request.
Every so often I discover "new" good songs only because someone requested it and I had it in my library! Ever had a request for a song that you did not like but when played it filled the dance floor?

I get that, and if it was still 1995 I might need that CD or file. Today however, I can purchase online anything I need even while in the midst of DJing - so while I may have my own collection on HD, I still have instant access to ANYTHING that can be acquired by internet.

One of the things to consider of course is laibility. You can't simply add songs permanently to your drive from somone else's CD without exposing yourself to copyright infringement. Don't think it will ever catch up with you? - see the SoundChoice threads, ask The Pros or Complete Music! :)

Aside from the liability, I just like the notion of running mean, lean and green as Rick pointed out. (I also like money more than I like shelves full of CDs and bragging rights to TB drives.) I admit - you can't sell everything you'd like too, and I've given away or put curb side a lot of stuff as well - especially all that vinyl. But in recent years I've been quite happy with the money I've recovered (and space) through thoughtful management of the music.

This is also one of the points I've always made to DJs who consistently pirate CDs, etc. An unauthorized CD copy has no resale value, costs money/time to make, cannot be insured agaisnt damage, and is a liability well in excess of any gain it provides. When I was buying original CDs for 5 systems my real costs were actually much lower than those of duping multi's for the same quantity. Now, as I liquidate these unused extra sets I'm actually recovering alomsty a third of that original expense.
 
I am still totally CD based, only because I cant see paying a double fee here locally for licences one for the format shift @ $800.00 a year
then a dj licence @ 200.00 a year
plus a licence to play music @ $180 a year

it starts adding up

so the 800.00 is staying out for now
i'll stay with CDs untill things change

now weeding out gets me

I do not buy a CD unless I can get more than 7x songs I will be using from said CD
even if its a greatest hits

at home for use here I cant even count how many mp3's I have
I actually have to redo the whole HDD with adding a 1.5TB hdd to put what I will keep on it and then ones I have duplicates of delete them (highest quality of course over 192cbr)

but thats the thing I never say (I am a big man mines bigger than yours) who cares really how many songs you carry

the client asks for a song if I have it then fine if not - as my contract says in one section

" ALL MUSIC IS SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY "

with that said - have a nice day all
 
Dont worry Bob - I still have a Room Full of them too (wax)
 
I love that post, and it mimics one of similar intensity and length that I had on my site for a few years.

That being said, I do "buy into" and admit that the 5k magic number is adequate for events, but I personally don't buy into any of the supposed "pitfalls" of having more than you'll ever need. None of the pitfalls mentioned hold water for me.

With storage being what it is nowadays cost-wise, capacity is not an issue. As far as system resources and drag, all I hear there is an argument for taking the time and steps to optimize your performance machine (ie time to kill some processes) or even better yet, upgrade your hardware or machine itself.

The only semi-convincing argument is the financial impact and benefit to be had by selling off un-needed discs.

So in summary we have:

A) An argument in defense of a conservatively-sized and well-maintained library to handle the majority of events

and

B) No *REAL* argument against simply sitting on more than you need.

This is of course assuming you are digital. The pitfalls of more than you need are readily apparent and from what I can see only worth considering if you are still disc-based.
 
As far as system resources and drag, all I hear there is an argument for taking the time and steps to optimize your performance machine (ie time to kill some processes) or even better yet, upgrade your hardware or machine itself.

I will totally disagree with that point dude!

I spend mucho amount of time tweaking algorithms for searching and sorting -- it just gets exponentially slower as the number of items grow.

Faster machines help -- but smaller lists help even more :sqwink:


If you don't need it -- get rid of it. It's just extra weight yer computer is carrying :)
 
Of course you know I'm gonna defer to you given your expertise in the area in question, but common sense does dictate there are two ways to solve a problem: Lighten the load, or just get a stronger pair of arms! :sqwink:

But who am I to talk - I'm carrying a decent amount of extra weight myself - why should my gig-machine get preferential treatment!:)
 
I will totally disagree with that point dude!

I spend mucho amount of time tweaking algorithms for searching and sorting -- it just gets exponentially slower as the number of items grow.

Faster machines help -- but smaller lists help even more :sqwink:


If you don't need it -- get rid of it. It's just extra weight yer computer is carrying :)

So given my only recent transition to digital, let me get some clarification here:

What you're arguing for is not necessarily less files/songs PHYSICALLY SPEAKING (ie present on your drive or machine), but rather for a smaller playlist or folder that you work from for the majority of your performance right?

So in otherwords, no harm in having 25k or so on your internal HD as long as the playlist or folder you search is 5k or so?
 
I've got 28,000 tracks...of which about 4000 are dupes....but I am not going to go through them.


I agree with you dont need more than 5,000 songs...heck I'd even put that number a 3000 with a confident list of songs.


But....I dont know how many times I have got the "oddball" request and I got major kudos for having the song.


Has there been a couple times a request like this cleared the floor..."YOU DAMN RIGHT"....but this was a good opportunity to go refill the glasses and take a little breather.


I personally like having the bigger arsenal of songs just in case there is that one special song that will make the night special.
 
So given my only recent transition to digital, let me get some clarification here:

What you're arguing for is not necessarily less files/songs PHYSICALLY SPEAKING (ie present on your drive or machine), but rather for a smaller playlist or folder that you work from for the majority of your performance right?

So in otherwords, no harm in having 25k or so on your internal HD as long as the playlist or folder you search is 5k or so?


Not necessarily...

The less songs on yer drive as well, the better IMHO. Most people don't turn off Window's search indexing, so all those extra files slow down Windows.


In most cases with DJ software, they build their own library of the tunes you add. That library is loaded each time you load the program, and kept in memory. You should never have to look through folders on the physical drive itself, unless it's for something not in the library (which should not be the case, unless you are lazy).

Looking through physical folders is asking for trouble, because most drives are fragged up the ying-yang -- the drive heads are bouncing all over the place, cache is turning into primordial goo, etc. It's not good practice to look through folders -- let your software do the work up front for you.

This is not meant as a plug, but the easiest way for me to describe it:

When I built the latest versions of Rockit, I added a secondary drive search. It allows you to keep your core library in memory (usually tunes residing on your internal drive), but keep an external (or another internal) with a far larger number of tracks on it. Most of your work is done with the core library, but if you need to look for some oddball track on the external, you can do so in the background, without interfering with your core library, or the GUI. It keeps things very robust that way, yet there is the ability to utilize the secondary drive search.


I still recommend folks keep it simple and lean though -- 30,000 tracks is completely unnecessary for any DJ to do a gig. Having that external drive plugged in, is a liability -- it hurts system resources, and is no use for a backup in most cases. If your internal drive crashes, you can't access your external, because your computer just crashed, along with your internal drive... ;)


I get lots of opportunity to test, ponder and explain these things to folks, if you hadn't noticed... :)