I got a email about what happened at Club Marlos on Friday May 10th.

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THey most certainly are.

Privately held assets.
Not all are privately held, but the place isn't private unless the patrons are limited by membership or invitation.
 
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It's not that we "think nothing" of a fight breaking out at a bar/nightclub....
it's that most of us HERE, don't do the bar scene...we concentrate on private events.
Now, if you were spinning at a wedding, and four fights broke out....
YEAH! That is something we would take notice of.
Bar fights are nothing new, especially for your neighborhood.

And you may claim that it's not a place you would play at...
but it certainly sounds like the kind of place you USED TO play at.
You've described the trouble you have encountered on this very website...
so I am wondering why YOU are so surprised, when the rest of us are NOT!
I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed. That's why if I do my homework first before agreeing to play in a place. I haven't actively looked at playing in a place for quite some time.

So Itigger you would just let anybody come in a place you owned? Never mind if it's a rough crowd that will come in looking for trouble and tearing up your place?

That's the classic mistake some places make. All they see is money coming in the door and can't refuse getting their money. A lot of them don't spend a lot of money. They will nurse 1or 2 beers and that's it.
 

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I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed. That's why if I do my homework first before agreeing to play in a place. I haven't actively looked at playing in a place for quite some time.

So Itigger you would just let anybody come in a place you owned? Never mind if it's a rough crowd that will come in looking for trouble and tearing up your place?

That's the classic mistake some places make. All they see is money coming in the door and can't refuse getting their money. A lot of them don't spend a lot of money. They will nurse 1or 2 beers and that's it.
I would really focus my time and energy on things that I can control and not focusing my energies on some club that has no effect n me
 

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Private places are not required to prostrate themselve at the altar of the demands of the public.

You sound posed and ready to sue private individuals to enforce your personal expectations.
We're not discussing private 'clubs'. We are discussing public facing facilities. As to myself being 'posed and ready to sue', one should read the story a little better. ;)
I've seen people sue each other over what I deem could be the silliest stuff - you think they won't sue because you won't let them in your bar?
 
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Law suit my azz. What would you rather have a lawsuit or your place being closed down for good.? Who told you that you can't be selective? It's your place to run how you see fit to keep the doors open.
'Selective' is a form of discrimination. This is illegal. I'm not sure which part you don't understand. Try it and see what happens. ;)
 
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I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed. That's why if I do my homework first before agreeing to play in a place. I haven't actively looked at playing in a place for quite some time.

So Itigger you would just let anybody come in a place you owned? Never mind if it's a rough crowd that will come in looking for trouble and tearing up your place?

That's the classic mistake some places make. All they see is money coming in the door and can't refuse getting their money. A lot of them don't spend a lot of money. They will nurse 1or 2 beers and that's it.
If I was a bar owner, I would read, understand and comply with the law. The law says it is ILLEGAL to not serve people based on forms of discrimination. I would also know that anyone that comes into my bar is a potential customer - and turning them away means I may not get that money. You fuss an awful lot about facilities not hiring you - yet, a bar cannot stay in business (nor afford to pay you) under your conditions. If I own a bar, then I need money to pay my bills, my employees, the entertainment, security, etc - and as evidenced, you only care about what the DJ gets paid and that the audience meets the DJ's 'requirements'. You don't care about the facility and what they have to do to earn that money. Most business people are not rich, like you. They can't afford to turn business away. I also know of NO ONE that actively does business with the 'wrong people', except people that actively break the law (crooks, drugs, etc). If you come into my bar and cause a ruckus, I will have you removed (this is legal).

Business Rule #1: Without customers, you have no business.

The law also says that you must claim any and all income and pay taxes on that income. How's that workin' out?

I really think you should buy a bar - see if you can make it a successful facility. You seem to think you can - so try it. Please report back with your findings in 5 years.
 
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I have been fortunate to not to play in a place where a fight broke out or someone got killed.
Then you might want to stay in your basement...Every bar has a ruckus from time to time

I really think you should buy a bar - see if you can make it a successful facility. You seem to think you can - so try it. Please report back with your findings in 5 years.
Report back if we can find him in 5 years LOL
 

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I said nothing about me owning a bar or club. I just was talking about what I have seen and why some places are out of business. Sure a place needs to make money to stay in business. I say and will keep saying go after smart money and not just any money..

It's not about what happens inside a place but what happens outside a place as well. As I said before I've seen places that didn't care who they let come in the place and eventually those places got shut down. The bar I first saw my partner play in has been long gone. All the owner cared about was making money and that's it. Whole bunch of mess was coming in the place. People in the bathroom getting high, under age people and so on. No security checking ID's or to keep the peace.

Last night my partner played there the people in the place started a big bar fight. He told me the fight started over a guy who had been drinking and was tipsy leaving the bar with a young girl looking to get some. They were setting the guy up to be robbed. Some regulars went outside to stop them from robbing the guy. The fight went back into the bar and it was on. Bartender got his nose broken with a chair and one person got thrown on the other side of the bar.

Now how do you kick out an entire bar crowd? The police came and listened to the manager tell a lie that it was the DJs fault. The police knew better. That's not the first time I've seen a place being run like that. I've seen places allowing even people of the right age but the wrong kind of people. People looking for trouble and don't care about the police. The aim should not be about making money but keeping the doors open while making money. Every piece that got shut down no longer is making money.
 

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Not all are privately held, but the place isn't private unless the patrons are limited by membership or invitation.
So the gov't. now owns bars/nightclubs?
 

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Regardless of who owns a bar or club, for some reason, you think they are excluded from local and federal laws?
 

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'Selective' is a form of discrimination. This is illegal. I'm not sure which part you don't understand. Try it and see what happens. ;)
Know the law before you spew ignorance.

Discrimination may be reprehensible. Racial discrimination in hiring certainly qualifies.

It may be immoral. Busing children to distant public schools certainly qualifies.

It may be unfair. TOO MANY EXAMPLES TO LIST

It may be proper and understandable. (See pocket knife example below)

It may even be protected by legal precedent, statute or code. (See US Constitution and innumerable other laws, statutes and judicial decisions)

But discrimination is not, as you allege, universally and de facto illegal. IT OCCURS EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY.

Try entering a secured government or private building with an innocuous and harmless pocket knife...you will be immediately discriminated against despite the fact that you have no intention or capacity of causing harm. And, as long as every person with a pocket knife is treated with the same, the discrimination is legal.

I think you are ill informed and confusing institutional, systemic and specifically prohibited housing, employment and public education discrimination with a business' right to refuse service.

A dress code is discriminatory.

Behavioral standards are discriminatory.

And, when applied to all potential patrons, which no one has suggested or implied otherwise, are LEGAL and common, prudent business practices protected by law.

You most certainly can prohibit individuals from entering your place of business.

Your kneejerk call to litigation is a pity worthy commentary on the state of maturity in contemporary America.
 
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Try entering a secrued government building with an innocuous and harmless pocket knife...you will be immediately discrimnated against despite the fact that you have no intention or capacity of causing harm.
I have entered a secured Gov't building with a harmless pocket knife and never once felt discriminated against.

And, as long as every person with a pocket knife is treated with the same, the discrimination is legal.
This is true, and every person entering your facility should be treated the same. Not allowing some in because 'you' deem them 'tackheads' is not legal.

I think you are ill informed and confusing institutional, systemic and speciificaly prohibited housing, employment and public education discrimination with a business' right to refuse service.
I think it is you that is ill informed and confused. As a public facing business, you cannot discriminate. Try it Rocky, let us know how it works out for ya.

You most certainly can prohibit individuals from entering your place of business.
You most certainly cannot, not without justification - and because they look like a tackhead is not a justification. The issue with it is that while you 'could' tell someone they can't come in, if a legal suit is brought, it is then on you to demonstrate that you were not being discriminatory. Considering you seem to know so much about this though, you should probably call the baker that was sued for not providing a cake to a couple - because it was against his beliefs. There are other cases if you care to look them up.
 
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I have entered a secured Gov't building with a harmless pocket knife and never once felt discriminated against.
Whether you felt it or not, you were legally discriminated against. It happens, as I stated.

I wasn't concerned with your feelings, Alice.

I was referring to reality and law.

Not allowing some in because 'you' deem them 'tackheads' is not legal.
You created that prejudiced reference in your mind. No one used that or any other derogatory term to discuss this matter...revealing but predictable.

I think it is you that is ill informed and confused. As a public facing business, you cannot discriminate. Try it Rocky, let us know how it works out for ya.
Your ignorance is boundless and seemingly infinite in these matters. You know little if anything about discrimination law but attempt to espouse on it and you know nothing of me or my practices/behavior but choose imply that I, immorally and illegally, as you foolishly seem compelled to characterize, discriminate. I do not do as you allege.

However, I definitely discriminate. Clients that want my service but want me to provide some activity that I choose not to provide do not get my service. That is an ethical act of discrimination.

You most certainly cannot, not without justification - and because they look like a tackhead is not a justification. The issue with it is that while you 'could' tell someone they can't come in, if a legal suit is brought, it is then on you to demonstrate that you were not being discriminatory. Considering you seem to know so much about this though, you should probably call the baker that was sued for not providing a cake to a couple - because it was against his beliefs. There are other cases if you care to look them up.
Your own word validate my statements and YOUR IGNORANCE AND PREJUDICES ARE SHOWING...yet again.

The Baker you refer to has been vindicated as the suit against him and all/any charges have been dismissed/dropped.

Just because some whiny assoles file a frivolous civil law suit, doesn't validate, establish or prove their frivolous claims. The dismissal does, however, establish the complete asshollyness of said claims!
 
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