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I tested "Esperance" (OtsAV 1.90) today on a Core i7 6GB memory and ATI Grpahics with dedicated 1 GB video memory. I also tested it on a Core 2 Duo as well. Both with a Denon HC4500 outboard controller and the updated map. I also tested it on a Pentium 4 running Windows XP and ATI Graphics card. All of the machines are laptops.

The video overlay remains non functional, in both Windows 7 and Vista, on both the Core i7 and Core 2 Duo. Ots also acknowledged in it's release notes that it will not currently work in Windows 8. The video overlay does work on the Pentium 4 running Windows XP, and you can get it to work (though not dependably) in Vista if you roll back your drivers to the XP version. So, no video with this program unless you're willing to run with an unsupported operating system or it's outdated drivers. I like the way my current video drivers work in Windows 7 and I'm not about to F-- with them for Esperance so nothing to report about changing drivers in Windows 7.

If you're not mobile then perhaps with a desktop tower and a stack of video cards you can swap in/out until you hit the magic combination.. you might get you results. This I find unreasonable given that every other video and DJ program I use is able to output on a variety of hardware with no such issue. The computers of choice toady are always laptops anyway - so it's high time Ots got with the times and figured out how to render reliable video on today's hardware. The problem can't be everyone else.

The look of the program has changed, Existing features have been made a little easier to use, although the new look has reduced the buttons/icons to the point that they are difficult to read and present a tiny target if you are using a mouse. If what you want isn't mapped to a controller that will slow you down a bit. More of the screen has been given up to graphic decoration and a pair of turntables like you find in the Ots Turntables release. The tables s are a waste since anyone who really wants to scratch or zorph would be using a controller. I'd rather have a better visual on the controls and indications than cute little platters that spin and flashing lights. It also makes the program look more like a toy - not sure that's what I want onlookers to see.

Save but a loop there are no new DJ features in Esperance, just a remodel of what was there, some of it's functionality, and how it looks. It remains a program dedicated primarily to automated/unattended playback. Relative to mixing and DJ features the program still doesn't have what DJs need and know as "instant start." While the loop will snap to the beat there is apparently no buffer to provide instant start when dropping in live on beat. I also have to revisit the cueing which didn't seem to be tight enough, I'll have to look into whether or not it is truly frame accurate.

The new loop does provide seamless repeat with two in points but, in points are not stored as hot cues and loops are not retained so, you can not use nested loops, or return to a loop or cue once you have exited. Using the loops to edit on the fly is not possible. Likewise, there are no other hot cues or sample banks from which to cut and drop.

Scratching works fine, but without other live DJ features Traktor will still rule. Even VDJ (equally priced) is better for this application. "Zorphing" which is essentially extreme time stretching with key lock is good for manipulating the visuals - that is, if you can get the video overlay to function.

Esperance is just an easier/better functioning version of OtsAV 1.85 with very little to get excited about from a DJ point of view. What I mean by that is: the features and capabilities of the program do not justify the proprietary Ots library format. Ots music files are not portable between other programs, so you can't travel without taking this whole software and hardware configuration with you, and the features are just not worth the hassle created by the Ots media format.

Despite the currently non-functioning hint - this is not a program you would run karaoke on, and I have not seen the video overlay work on any machine who's video driver was not rolled back to Win XP. That leaves just the audio - and those features are aimed at minimal hands on automation not an actual DJ.

The addition of Video (if it would work reliably) was a bigger deal than what's in the Esperance release. It's apparently a very long road to version 2.0 Thank goodness there's Traktor, Serato, and VDJ.
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

While I've played with it a little bit, I wouldn't be able to offer an opinion on the upgrade until I understand if there is something I'm doing wrong or don't fully understand yet.


I would typically seek out assistance for a challenge I'm having before I decide that something is broken, especially when no one else is reporting any similar issues.

But I do agree that there are plenty of other good options out there if a software doesn't fit one's needs.
 
Well, that's you.... and I know it bothers you but, I'm fully prepared to accept that I might just have better resources and be more capable than you are. :)
 
I tested "Esperance" (OtsAV 1.90) today on a Core i7 6GB memory and ATI Grpahics with dedicated 1 GB video memory. ...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
The addition of Video (if it would work reliably) was a bigger deal than what's in the Esperance release. It's apparently a very long road to version 2.0 Thank goodness there's Traktor, Serato, and VDJ.
Bob thanks for sharing that review. Sounds like WMP will do the same thing if you were to make a playlist. I say this because so many here, using their own words are: A. Wedding DJs. B. Do not beatmatch aka mix (because their clients don't request it, yeah right! C. Randomly choose songs to make a playlist (More like a Jukebox). If one doe snot have any leading or trailing spaces in songs, WMP will play them for you one after another. Therefore some can save their coin and just use Windows Media Player. Again, it is nice to know other people's perspective on DJs tools.
 
thanks so much for your non biased review Bob. Hope this ends the debate. Im just curious how many units they sell these days its pretty much a dead software with the majors still selling strong.
 
Well, that's you.... and I know it bothers you but, I'm fully prepared to accept that I might just have better resources and be more capable than you are. :)

Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do agree with you that you believe yourself to be more capable.
 
thanks so much for your non biased review Bob. Hope this ends the debate. Im just curious how many units they sell these days its pretty much a dead software with the majors still selling strong.

I don't know if it's true, but someone mentioned that at download dot com , people had downloaded ots 320,000 times to 190,000 vdj during the same time. I did not verify that, but if that's correct, I'd say it's not dead.
 
my bad I just dont know anyone using it other than a few of you here my mistake I could be wrong.
 
i'll wait - as I said before, never trusted them in the first place
 
Bob thanks for sharing that review. Sounds like WMP will do the same thing if you were to make a playlist. I say this because so many here, using their own words are: A. Wedding DJs. B. Do not beatmatch aka mix (because their clients don't request it, yeah right! C. Randomly choose songs to make a playlist (More like a Jukebox). If one doe snot have any leading or trailing spaces in songs, WMP will play them for you one after another. Therefore some can save their coin and just use Windows Media Player. Again, it is nice to know other people's perspective on DJs tools.

This would be an incorrect assumption, in my opinion.

While I will not get into a debate with anyone about the software, I encourage anyone that's interested to do some research.

Everyone should use what software works for them.
 
Bob thanks for sharing that review. Sounds like WMP will do the same thing if you were to make a playlist. I say this because so many here, using their own words are: A. Wedding DJs. B. Do not beatmatch aka mix (because their clients don't request it, yeah right! C. Randomly choose songs to make a playlist (More like a Jukebox). If one doe snot have any leading or trailing spaces in songs, WMP will play them for you one after another. Therefore some can save their coin and just use Windows Media Player. Again, it is nice to know other people's perspective on DJs tools.

Correct, I have never had a client ask me if I beat mix. Go figure;)
 
Correct, I have never had a client ask me if I beat mix. Go figure;)
A client should not have to ask. Beatmixing is something that should be expected! Again, DJs wonder why they have so much competition from wannabees? If a DJ is not beat mixing what then is he offering that some wannabee with some gear cannot also offer? Mark my words, the Playlist DJ will soon be a thing of the past.
 
A client should not have to ask. Beatmixing is something that should be expected! Again, DJs wonder why they have so much competition from wannabees? If a DJ is not beat mixing what then is he offering that some wannabee with some gear cannot also offer? Mark my words, the Playlist DJ will soon be a thing of the past.


You take me reply in the WRONG text. I did not say that I don't beatmix. What I said was....."Correct, I have never had a client ask me if I beat mix. Go figure;) " In response to your comment..."(because their clients don't request it, yeah right!)

I have NEVER had a client ask if I beatmix or ask me to beatmix at their event.

And by the way, not everyone (read client) likes or wants beatmixing at their event.

What you think the client expects and what they really expect could be two different things.

But hey, what do I know. And also, Rick Ryan.;)
 
I don't know if it's true, but someone mentioned that at download dot com , people had downloaded ots 320,000 times to 190,000 vdj during the same time. I did not verify that, but if that's correct, I'd say it's not dead.

I just thought that I'd point out the fact that Virtual DJ is the #2 most downloaded software on download.com for the 4th year in a row. It currently has over 2.5 million downloads to date. Ots doesn't even make the list. Whoever told you that was full of poo poo. Just go to download.com and click on "popular" only anti virus beats it out!
 
You take me reply in the WRONG text. I did not say that I don't beatmix. What I said was....."Correct, I have never had a client ask me if I beat mix. Go figure;) " In response to your comment..."(because their clients don't request it, yeah right!)

I have NEVER had a client ask if I beatmix or ask me to beatmix at their event.

And by the way, not everyone (read client) likes or wants beatmixing at their event.

What you think the client expects and what they really expect could be two different things.

But hey, what do I know. And also, Rick Ryan.;)
So if they don't ask, you don't do it, is that correct? Or is it that you do it anyway even if they don't ask as you said? Just so that we are on the same page, what I mean when I say Beat Mixing or Beat Matching is the smooth transition from one song to another usually in a 4 beat range. In other words for instance, going from 112 to the same or 114/116 then on to the next at 116/118 or even back down to 112. Scratching, blending cutting a song short and into another can be termed "mixing". That in itself has variances such as blends, fast cut, slip cue etc.
 
Most of the weddings I have done; "beat mixing" is not a pre-requisite, I define beat mixing as the mixing, on - beat, of music, usually over 8, 16 or 32 bars seamlessly; although proper "blending" of songs; transitions from one to another, is a must, whether that be fade in or fade out or a "slam" transition...on the beat.. That being said, proper planning , in terms of tempo's is a requirement as well; jumping from a 98 bpm to 138 bpm for instance. I always try to builds my sets....tempo-wise. I never changes gen\res from one song to another typically either...it's typically 2 -4 of one genre and try to find a "transition" song.

I don't scratch, morph, dub, phase or anything like that

Lately I've been buying remixes of newer stuff and I have been doing more beat mixing of said music, particularly if I have a younger crowd and it's later in the night. So far it's gone over well. I enjoy it as well as it takes me back to the vinyl days somewhat. The remixes though are essentially the radio version with added intro's/ extro's. I find that wedding clients typically want the songs they know......

Lastly; beat-mixing does not make you a better dj/MC/entertainer; no more than certain brands of equipment. I've heard all kinds of great mixers playing sh!tty music. I've never been specifically asked to "beatmix"....Blending, slamming with the appropriate playlist can accomplish the same result.

Beat-mixing is certainly not "expected" nor it it required... that viewpoint is short sighted and certainly comes from someone who obviously has little experience in the "wedding/ non-club environment.

My opinion only; your mileage may vary. Any reference to and any names are fictitious.
 
Scott, You need to get some perspective and stop looking at this as a all-or-nothing battle. Ots is automation software aimed at broadcasters - specifically radio. That's why Ots is so focused on the audio engine, timeline, etc. and little else. Look at the price of the products - this is not a DJ software. We are a sideline for Ots.

That being said, there are DJs like me who do corporate events, trade shows, and other wholesale and retail events where we'd like something more in that class to manage media content and serve it up flawlessly. IN 2004 (almost a decade ago) OtsJuke held some promise. Still, there is no DJ program that can hold a candle to the library management features of OtsAV and the Ots file conatiner. The problem is that the world moves on. Ots is now so lacking in standard DJ features that the benefits of the library management are lost by virtue of it being trapped behind a program with limited functionality.

We are not broadcasters with fixed architecture, capital improvement plans, and program schedules. Our platform changes too rapidy and we need products that are ready to work with off-the shelf hardware. I don't blame Ots for focusing on their core users - but, I don't have to tolerate misleading claims about it's application in this arena. The reality is that the DJ market really isn't worth their time - and so their marketing to us is often disingenuous. Ots is a good program - it's just a lousy choice for DJs.

As for the beat mixing thing - it's also not all-or nothing. There are a lot of mixing styles including things very appropriate for weddings that are not the Hip-Hop mash-ups that many people here want to portray. There are events where I want to cut things up, and then there are events where that's not appropriate - but, I still need and want to edit on the fly, make medleys, beds, and transition cleanly and impressively in ways that my competitors can't. It makes the over-all program sound so much better and people do notice the difference. They know it's me and not a recording.

I'll give you an example - a common corporate event would be a regional awards banquet. This is a scripted event that needs a soundtrack - but, no music is pre-selected. I know the award class being given, but nothing about the recipient, etc. I need to listen to what the the presenter says about the winner and pick a song best suited for each walk-up (presenter and recipient). No song can be repeated and every song has to be high energy - and it requires about 80 songs in what is targeted to be a 50 minute program. Do the math - that's a new song every 45 seconds. Ots music management would be ideal for grabbing the songs - but, I need to edit out words, create instrumental loops, and cut back to previous sections to create the sound and energy required. The program is in this sense a bottle neck - trapping my music in a container I can't pour it out of on demand.
 
As we've seen with other threads about software, they easily get derailed


Sometimes when people review things,they forget to mention how much they actually know about the product or version. Often when they are stating what a software can and can't do, it's really an option that can be turned off or on, yet the inexperienced person doesn't know that, so the review can be flawed.

Actually, I would highly encourage anyone here to try Rockit. We have the developer right here in this forum. He's a cranky old hillbilly, :)but he's smart. It's a great price too

No software does everything well. I've found weaknesses in just about every software I've tried.

I think it's very appropriate for someone to say they don't like something. I do believe it's misleading to say what it is designed for and what it is not when easy research will tell you the truth.
 
Scott, You need to get some perspective and stop looking at this as a all-or-nothing battle. Ots is automation software aimed at broadcasters - specifically radio. That's why Ots is so focused on the audio engine, timeline, etc. and little else. Look at the price of the products - this is not a DJ software. We are a sideline for Ots.

That being said, there are DJs like me who do corporate events, trade shows, and other wholesale and retail events where we'd like something more in that class to manage media content and serve it up flawlessly. IN 2004 (almost a decade ago) OtsJuke held some promise. Still, there is no DJ program that can hold a candle to the library management features of OtsAV and the Ots file conatiner. The problem is that the world moves on. Ots is now so lacking in standard DJ features that the benefits of the library management are lost by virtue of it being trapped behind a program with limited functionality.

We are not broadcasters with fixed architecture, capital improvement plans, and program schedules. Our platform changes too rapidy and we need products that are ready to work with off-the shelf hardware. I don't blame Ots for focusing on their core users - but, I don't have to tolerate misleading claims about it's application in this arena. The reality is that the DJ market really isn't worth their time - and so their marketing to us is often disingenuous. Ots is a good program - it's just a lousy choice for DJs.

As for the beat mixing thing - it's also not all-or nothing. There are a lot of mixing styles including things very appropriate for weddings that are not the Hip-Hop mash-ups that many people here want to portray. There are events where I want to cut things up, and then there are events where that's not appropriate - but, I still need and want to edit on the fly, make medleys, beds, and transition cleanly and impressively in ways that my competitors can't. It makes the over-all program sound so much better and people do notice the difference. They know it's me and not a recording.

I'll give you an example - a common corporate event would be a regional awards banquet. This is a scripted event that needs a soundtrack - but, no music is pre-selected. I know the award class being given, but nothing about the recipient, etc. I need to listen to what the the presenter says about the winner and pick a song best suited for each walk-up (presenter and recipient). No song can be repeated and every song has to be high energy - and it requires about 80 songs in what is targeted to be a 50 minute program. Do the math - that's a new song every 45 seconds. Ots music management would be ideal for grabbing the songs - but, I need to edit out words, create instrumental loops, and cut back to previous sections to create the sound and energy required. The program is in this sense a bottle neck - trapping my music in a container I can't pour it out of on demand.


Bob...frankly... so what! You've done your review; move on

It's still a choice for some or many.....

I played around with it a few years ago...What I really like about it was:

1) the automatic mixing was unparalleled; Still today, I don't think it can be matched
2) I found the "sound" great...very pleasing

What I didn't like: the proprietary file "box" and pricing/licensing restrictions.

Perhaps its was designed initially for radio. Was the Bose L1/B1 originally designed with DJ's in mind?

Are those that bought and are still buying OTS fools?

I've tried them all and finally settled on VDJ; it works for me.

I could care less about video overlay, karaoke functionality.....


The point is - is that for many it works. It does what it needs to do, just like Softjock's software does what it needs to do for those who use it.

I've bought lights based on "promises" and found that they just didn't do what I needed them to do or didn't live up to their billing.

The update is here; you don't like it; The software doesn't work for you....Lesson learned. Really it's that simple.
 
So if they don't ask, you don't do it, is that correct? Or is it that you do it anyway even if they don't ask as you said? Just so that we are on the same page, what I mean when I say Beat Mixing or Beat Matching is the smooth transition from one song to another usually in a 4 beat range. In other words for instance, going from 112 to the same or 114/116 then on to the next at 116/118 or even back down to 112. Scratching, blending cutting a song short and into another can be termed "mixing". That in itself has variances such as blends, fast cut, slip cue etc.

Canute, I have already answerd your question in my post. I know what beatmixing is. I was simply saying that I have never had a client inquire as to if I beatmix or not.

Bob, sorry to be part of the derailment.
 
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