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Ausumm

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I've found a few old threads on this subject, but there seems to be a lot of changes in technology since then.
I've been using the Chauvet Obey 40 to control my DMX lights. But I'm getting a little tired of having to reprogram them every other gig.
I'm thinking about getting a computer based lighting controller to use with my new laptop. I only have a few simple lights, so I'm looking for something that is extremely simple to use and easy to program. Naturally, I don't want to pay a lot of money. And no I have no interest in MyDMXGo.
Any suggestions?
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I've found a few old threads on this subject, but there seems to be a lot of changes in technology since then.
I've been using the Chauvet Obey 40 to control my DMX lights. But I'm getting a little tired of having to reprogram them every other gig.
I'm thinking about getting a computer based lighting controller to use with my new laptop. I only have a few simple lights, so I'm looking for something that is extremely simple to use and easy to program. Naturally, I don't want to pay a lot of money. And no I have no interest in MyDMXGo.
Any suggestions?
Screenshots?
I use a dmx software called blizzard eclipse, which has now been rebranded to mega-lite disco software. Small family owned company in texas who makes the most user friendly option I've seen, especially if you have a touch screen device.
 
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I've found a few old threads on this subject, but there seems to be a lot of changes in technology since then.
I've been using the Chauvet Obey 40 to control my DMX lights. But I'm getting a little tired of having to reprogram them every other gig.
I'm thinking about getting a computer based lighting controller to use with my new laptop. I only have a few simple lights, so I'm looking for something that is extremely simple to use and easy to program. Naturally, I don't want to pay a lot of money. And no I have no interest in MyDMXGo.
Any suggestions?
Screenshots?

MyDMXGo is a piece of junk. MaestroDMX looks promising. I'm considering to install it in my venue in the next couple of years.

 
Have you looked at Open Source options? I believe there's some good applications out there.
You would still need to purchase a USB-DMX converter, but that's easy enough to acquire even used.
 
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I know this isn't directly answering your question since this isn't a software solution, but the WolfMix (branded in the US as ADJ WMX) is really fun. The learning curve is not very steep and it unlocks a lot of creativity to operate your lights as you want to.
 
The defining factor given is: "not wanting to pay a lot of money." A second unstated factor is age and level of activity - is it worth it to me?

On that basis I'd say that if the price has to be low then the best choice is to not use any moving lights and simply stick with color changers. You can layer movement on top of that with old school dance floor fixtures that you turn on and off or chase in a slower sequence. This is what the Obey 40 was designed to do. It's a 30+ year old economy level application of the DMX protocol.

The Obey 40 is not a controller. It's essentially a fader bank that can record scenes, and then sequence those scenes into a chase with variable step and cross fade times. This is enough for LED color changers, but it's not well suited to moving fixtures. An Obey 40 would probably still be useful to a local theater group who wants a simple dimming system for a small number of fixtures but, as a DJ tool it is a dinosaur. It was originally designed for relay/dimmer control and mechanical color changers in a pre-LED age when halogens stilled ruled the DJ lighting world.

Adding another computer or yet another software to a DJ rig is probably not the best way to address DMX lighting. The better lighting controllers today are stand alone computers with specific apps for lighting. All of the hard work defining movement and shapes has been done and stored as templates with variable parameters. Rather than design a oval shape from scratch - you are applying a template that is easily modified. This means you are now free to paint with your lights instead of setting and recording long strings of DMX step values just to create a shape and other effects. While software may be the cheaper way to access that, a stand alone controller can free you from needing a computer.

For any DJ using moving lights on a regular basis the WMX1 is one of the best controllers. If you want a quick and easy way to get complex effects and really professional looking shows without using a computer - this is what you want. The price is actually very reasonable for what it can do. It has been a long time coming but for less than $700 you can have a box full of scalable presets for a large fixture library. That's dirt cheap given it's true potential. It's 1/4 the cost of my ETC CS 40 and very powerful, but it is a DJ (dance floor) specific controller. If you don't have a lot of money already spent on moving fixtures - then new fixtures are where you will end up spending the real money to catch up with the times and what this controller is capable of doing. On the other hand, perhaps you could rent fixtures as needed of a class you wouldn't dream of owning and really change your game.

If you want to do theatrical shows this is not the controller you need. But for DJs and clubs - this is EXACTLY what you want. You do have to take some time to learn and preload profiles for your select fixtures. This is the case for ANY professional lighting desk. Don't assume you can just take this thing out of the box and start using it like it was a new CD player. Your device profiles need to be loaded if they are not already on-board. You need to know how to set it up and operate it's various applications.
 
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The defining factor given is: "not wanting to pay a lot of money." A second unstated factor is age and level of activity - is it worth it to me?

On that basis I'd say that if the price has to be low then the best choice is to not use any moving lights and simply stick with color changers. You can layer movement on top of that with old school dance floor fixtures that you turn on and off or chase in a slower sequence. This is what the Obey 40 was designed to do. It's a 30+ year old economy level application of the DMX protocol.

The Obey 40 is not a controller. It's essentially a fader bank that can record scenes, and then sequence those scenes into a chase with variable step and cross fade times. This is enough for LED color changers, but it's not well suited to moving fixtures. An Obey 40 would probably still be useful to a local theater group who wants a simple dimming system for a small number of fixtures but, as a DJ tool it is a dinosaur. It was originally designed for relay/dimmer control and mechanical color changers in a pre-LED age when halogens stilled ruled the DJ lighting world.

Adding another computer or yet another software to a DJ rig is probably not the best way to address DMX lighting. The better lighting controllers today are stand alone computers with specific apps for lighting. All of the hard work defining movement and shapes has been done and stored as templates with variable parameters. Rather than design a oval shape from scratch - you are applying a template that is easily modified. This means you are now free to paint with your lights instead of setting and recording long strings of DMX step values just to create a shape and other effects. While software may be the cheaper way to access that, a stand alone controller can free you from needing a computer.

For any DJ using moving lights on a regular basis the WMX1 is one of the best controllers. If you want a quick and easy way to get complex effects and really professional looking shows without using a computer - this is what you want. The price is actually very reasonable for what it can do. It has been a long time coming but for less than $700 you can have a box full of scalable presets for a large fixture library. That's dirt cheap given it's true potential. It's 1/4 the cost of my ETC CS 40 and very powerful, but it is a DJ (dance floor) specific controller. If you don't have a lot of money already spent on moving fixtures - then new fixtures are where you will end up spending the real money to catch up with the times and what this controller is capable of doing. On the other hand, perhaps you could rent fixtures as needed of a class you wouldn't dream of owning and really change your game.

If you want to do theatrical shows this is not the controller you need. But for DJs and clubs - this is EXACTLY what you want. You do have to take some time to learn and preload profiles for your select fixtures. This is the case for ANY professional lighting desk. Don't assume you can just take this thing out of the box and start using it like it was a new CD player. Your device profiles need to be loaded if they are not already on-board. You need to know how to set it up and operate it's various applications.

Yeah, you are correct on all accounts.
A big investment is not "worth it to me"....
as I use mostly color changing lights.

I do have two small Chinese movers,
but I am happy to let them run on AUTO rather than program X and Y axis, etc.
 
I use a dmx software called blizzard eclipse, which has now been rebranded to mega-lite disco software. Small family owned company in texas who makes the most user friendly option I've seen, especially if you have a touch screen device.
I have a touch screen tablet...but it's OLD as dirt.
But I will check them out.

Have you looked at Open Source options? I believe there's some good applications out there.
You would still need to purchase a USB-DMX converter, but that's easy enough to acquire even used.
That's what I am looking for.
And yeah, I realize I need the interface.

I know this isn't directly answering your question since this isn't a software solution, but the WolfMix (branded in the US as ADJ WMX) is really fun. The learning curve is not very steep and it unlocks a lot of creativity to operate your lights as you want to.
I saw this advertised a while ago.
Very interested.
 
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How about Lightrider?
Like MY DMX GO...
without the hassle of wireless?
 
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I realized I don't have the time, patience, or enough enthusiasm to deal with computer based DMX.

I am content with Plug and Play lights and putting them in sound active mode and let them go.

There are a few reasons for this

A. Pretty much all the events I do, having just 2 or 3 light effects is plenty of a light show. I seem to get compliments on having Great Lights at the shows that I do with them from at least one guest commenting on them. My lights are in sound active, and the entire light show is less than $750 brand new

B. I am a one person set up and strike crew. Most of the venues I do have 2 hour, or at most a 3 hour time frame for loading in and setting up. I don't have enough time to commit to setting up anything intricate, and then dialing in the lights. Most weddings are 3 sound system set up locations so I already have enough on my plate in that 2 hour window (Often only 90 minutes prior to guests arriving for the ceremony)

C. I don't attract the type of clientele that want the club lighting atmosphere. I have been at this a long time now, and I just don't come across these types of clients often enough to warrant the investment. I can count on one hand the number of clients I had that have paid for a bigger light show, and really wanted a club like event. Even after posting over a hundred dancing recap videos showing the lights on Youtube that I use, there has been no real affect on increasing the number of clients who will pay for light effects. I come across these clients even less in recent years than prior to the pandemic. The couples and planners that come my way just want a DJ who can take care of all of their audio needs, and listen to what they want in terms of music for their celebration. The only discussions that come up about lighting effects are when I ask if they want any lighting effects to be used during open dancing.

In 2024 I decided not to include my light show for free any longer, and gave my clients 3 options to choose: Here's the stats on what they have selected for the events I have done so far this year

LED Light Effect Show added in for $100 - 18.75% (One of these were a free up grade because the client was a friend of mine)
No Light Effect Show, but a Subtle Color Wash behind my Facade to beat to the music - FREE - 43.75%
No Lights at all - 37.5%

I have 3 weddings left on my calendar in October that I don't know their choice yet.

No weddings in November or December at this point and very unlikely I will book more than maybe 1 more for 2024.
The holiday party bookings that will come in for December, I already know what their answer will be "If it's included we will take it. Otherwise, whatever you set up is fine".


Moving forward I will continue with the KISS method and keep things simple in terms of lights.


If I were to ever get engaged into Computer based DMX, it would be more because I am bored, and want to truly just learn how to do it. This undertaking would largely just be an endeavor taken at my house in my free time. I don't expect that to actually happen while I work full time. Maybe when I am older and have more free time on my hands.
 
If I were to ever get engaged into Computer based DMX, it would be more because I am bored, and want to truly just learn how to do it. This undertaking would largely just be an endeavor taken at my house in my free time. I don't expect that to actually happen while I work full time. Maybe when I am older and have more free time on my hands.
You're probably too late for the real learning curve, and a computer is really no longer the best way to do this. You'd be better off with a proprietary surface system that manages the DMX or CRMX and RDM for you. Here, all the programming is already done and you simply use a tablet App to select the colors and effects you want to run. Astera is one such example, but there are many others. The WMX1 is probably the newest and best tool for what DJs do, but the era of cheap DJ lighting is long gone.
 
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I realized I don't have the time, patience, or enough enthusiasm to deal with computer based DMX.
I am content with Plug and Play lights and putting them in sound active mode and let them go.
There are a few reasons for this

B. I am a one person set up and strike crew. Most of the venues I do have 2 hour, or at most a 3 hour time frame for loading in and setting up. I don't have enough time to commit to setting up anything intricate, and then dialing in the lights. Most weddings are 3 sound system set up locations so I already have enough on my plate in that 2 hour window (Often only 90 minutes prior to guests arriving for the ceremony)
You're using an "old school" lens to look at a new age problem.

For a DJ gig, you shouldn;t need to "dial in" the lighting for every gig. Your setup is probably near identical every time - with a dance floor directly in front of you. Even if it's not - there's no reason the lights can't be put in that location while you operate from a more remote position.

A modern control scheme will have already done the programming for you, and you can impose travel limits on moving fixtures to keep them in the area you want rather than flailing all over the room.

Most DJs today are not 'controlling' their lights - they are simply using an APP that already has the programs in place and just needs some size and timing information.