15 Jobs that will Disappear over the next 19 years
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I already brought up the local smaller usage on subway and planes. Of course planes have not one but “two” pilots and the newer larger ones can takeoff and land Themselves. Hum could it be for “safety “ reasons. Which is my point. And the interesting thing is in the newer planes the computers actually controls the plane. The pilots just give it input.
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No, that's what you want to believe but, that is not what the corporations using this stuff are actually saying:
"Automation is to assist us in doing more with far less labor."
Remember that when you're sweeping the floor and dusting off the machine that took over your 6 figure job so you could earn $24,000 with no benefits.
My favorite quote is from someone at a Bill Clinton "town hall" meeting where he bragged to a woman inquiring about the state of the job market: "We've added over xxxxx jobs since I took office...." To which the woman responded: "I know. I have three of them."
Actually, it's reality - it's not what I want to believe. Sure, there are some saying automation will help us do more with far less labor - but not everyone is saying that - and if you take note, the ones that are have awful customer service. My job won't be going away until long after I have moved on to the other side. I'm in the IT arena, which is where automation sits. As for politics and jobs, they all claim to have created xxxxx jobs since they took office - means nothing.
If society ever gets to the point while I'm alive that I need to clean floors, then so be it. That is not beneath me. I will do what I need to, to live the best life that I want - while others b!tch about there being no jobs.
As it stands at this very moment, McD's will be the first to fully implement automated cashiers. In addition, it is each of us that is making society this way. If you don't like how someone is doing something, the best thing you can do is stop bringing business there - and to pass the word about it. If you do not approve of McD's going automated, then you and 50 million of your friends need to tell them - one of the best ways, stop buying.
Don't like mom & pop shows closing up - then stop buying from Wal-Mart. We are doing these things to ourselves. Every company wants more profit with less overhead and costs. With that said, there are companies that truly care about their employees .. and those companies need your support (if you believe in keeping people employed).
If society ever gets to the point while I'm alive that I need to clean floors, then so be it. That is not beneath me. I will do what I need to, to live the best life that I want - while others b!tch about there being no jobs.
As it stands at this very moment, McD's will be the first to fully implement automated cashiers. In addition, it is each of us that is making society this way. If you don't like how someone is doing something, the best thing you can do is stop bringing business there - and to pass the word about it. If you do not approve of McD's going automated, then you and 50 million of your friends need to tell them - one of the best ways, stop buying.
Don't like mom & pop shows closing up - then stop buying from Wal-Mart. We are doing these things to ourselves. Every company wants more profit with less overhead and costs. With that said, there are companies that truly care about their employees .. and those companies need your support (if you believe in keeping people employed).
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The big planes have had it for a long time - and everything is fly by wire - no mechanical links. I don't imagine there will be completely autonomous vehicles for awhile - there will be someone there 'for safety' as there is in planes. That person (or persons) will have a significantly less role to play. I can see there a point where the computer is doing all the driving with no one else on board. In a plane, aside from takeoff, landing and emergency maneuvers, the computers do the rest. We send armed unmanned planes into battle and accurately hit targets halfway around the world, we can send autonomous vehicles into an area and tell them to navigate the terrain without human interaction, Google and Uber have been actively using autonomous vehicles for like 5 years now in the public - why can't we send unmanned trucks to do long haul deliveries between hubs?
Btw, because of those autonomous vehicles, you have technology like lidar and radar now in current new vehicles, which are there to help keep you safe.
The easiest way to slow the progress of automation .. will be to speak with your purchasing. 'Everyone' wants the minimum wage to be at $15/hr. Without significantly raising costs, companies will have to cut back somewhere. If I replace a person with a machine, I don't have to raise my prices. Some want to buy the lower end of the spectrum. How does the economy support paying people decent wages if everyone is buying the cheap stuff?
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I have news for you it is much easy to fly than drive than that why is why you have very young kids flying airplanes and some who have flown around the world. I think the youngest to flight across the US and back was 9. Humm........ if anything goes autonomous trains, ships Are candidates. There are been numerous articles on how our interstructure needs to be upgraded greatly before automation on the road can happen safely and sensibly. Since we can’t fix our roads now its a big issue to change it to handle self driving cars. Another interesting fact is these self driving systems don’t use all the information they take in. Input is ignored otherwise the vehicle won’t go due to all the varibles. AAA just released a report detailing some of these systems ( lane keeping, auto stop & etc) do not always work as advertised. A few of the auto drive failures resulting in the car hit a stationary object or vehicle while at highway speed. The issue is the systems can’t accurately predict all the variables looking down the road. Actually I'm a little disappointed I had though these systems would have worked better in the real world. When I was looking that the Model X, I wasn't going to get the full auto drive system but I had hoped the standard assist would have been more reliable. But my TL transmission died and I need a car ASAP so ended up getting a Highlander and replacing my van.
While I agree it is easier to fly, it also isn't. The hardest thing to do is land. Could you imagine these non drivers trying to fly? I agree that automation still has a long ways to go - no one said it will be here tomorrow, but it is coming.
I was test driving a Camry today - and it has Lane Assistant as well as adaptive cruise control (with radar). The lane assistant worked every time I tried to get out of a lane without a blinker on - and the adaptive cruise control did it's job regardless of how fast I told it to go. These are things that autonomous vehicles brought to us.
For some organizations (like Uber), you're correct, some of the input is ignored (because Uber told it to). This was the case with the fatal Uber accident. With that said, there was a driver in the seat (in the event of emergency) and he also failed to take action. As this is all still 'new', it will only get better as time goes on.
At one time, people thought you were smoking crack when you told them they would one day have a phone that they could use anywhere and be able to fit in their pants pocket. They thought you were even crazier when you said it would get email and the Internet on it. They also thought you were 'not with it' if you said there would be a computer that you could take with you wherever you went - and it weighed less than 10 pounds. Who would ever need more than 80MB of storage? Keyboards and mice without wires and a ball? What? This was less than 25 years ago.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJfB6K8PSQw
This was just last week - in Miami.
The flaw in this interview was that he said the Uber accident could have been avoided with their software - however the accident was the fault of Uber and not of the software that was on the vehicle. Uber disabled the vehicle software.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLOyULUMq0k
4 weeks ago in DC
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5VktmeHsjI
Waymo
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B090_IO7fNI
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dlkj-gzOsU
I was test driving a Camry today - and it has Lane Assistant as well as adaptive cruise control (with radar). The lane assistant worked every time I tried to get out of a lane without a blinker on - and the adaptive cruise control did it's job regardless of how fast I told it to go. These are things that autonomous vehicles brought to us.
For some organizations (like Uber), you're correct, some of the input is ignored (because Uber told it to). This was the case with the fatal Uber accident. With that said, there was a driver in the seat (in the event of emergency) and he also failed to take action. As this is all still 'new', it will only get better as time goes on.
At one time, people thought you were smoking crack when you told them they would one day have a phone that they could use anywhere and be able to fit in their pants pocket. They thought you were even crazier when you said it would get email and the Internet on it. They also thought you were 'not with it' if you said there would be a computer that you could take with you wherever you went - and it weighed less than 10 pounds. Who would ever need more than 80MB of storage? Keyboards and mice without wires and a ball? What? This was less than 25 years ago.
This was just last week - in Miami.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLOyULUMq0k
4 weeks ago in DC
Waymo
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I also love to drive - but every once in awhile, it would be nice to say Siri, Alexa, James, (insert name here) - 'drive home' while I try to take a nap. I would LOVE it if the car could drive me to work while I nap - I hate the mornings.
When I am talking about input being ignored I am talking about on a basic level of input from the senors. You might want to read up on exactly how the programming is handled regarding what the system acts on. It was enough to make to say WTF, but I understand why they did what they did. You might want to read up also on the AAA report the systems, Iike myself they are concerned with safety.
As for fly being difficult, well it isn’t. My daughter did her 1st flight a couple months ago. With the instructor she pretty much did everything but takeoff and landing. If she chose to pursue her private pilots license she would’ve been taking off and landing within a few more flights. Even though wearing one of the most busy aerospace traffic is controlled in space down leaving very few hazardous. Although I do have a degree in Aerospace & attended ground school when I was young. She has no previous flight experience. She does work Aerospace museum so we have both met many astronauts, pilots & engineers. I have no idea what possessed her to want to go fly a plane. Kids always surprise you. Thank goodness she got busy and got sidetrack. I’m trying to get her to start scuba diving with me when we are on vacation. Something less stressful on my part.
As for fly being difficult, well it isn’t. My daughter did her 1st flight a couple months ago. With the instructor she pretty much did everything but takeoff and landing. If she chose to pursue her private pilots license she would’ve been taking off and landing within a few more flights. Even though wearing one of the most busy aerospace traffic is controlled in space down leaving very few hazardous. Although I do have a degree in Aerospace & attended ground school when I was young. She has no previous flight experience. She does work Aerospace museum so we have both met many astronauts, pilots & engineers. I have no idea what possessed her to want to go fly a plane. Kids always surprise you. Thank goodness she got busy and got sidetrack. I’m trying to get her to start scuba diving with me when we are on vacation. Something less stressful on my part.
Again - I agree that flying isn't difficult - but there's a reason a person needs lots of hours (I don't remember if it's 40 or 80) of practice before they go for a check ride. I've looked into getting a license at various points of my life, the last being about 5 years ago. It's about 10k to get your private pilots license - because of that, I don't think 'anyone' can fly. Also, you must have an 'endorsement' for each type of aircraft you fly. You must also pass a medical exam.
From the FAA:
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Student Pilot's Certificate Requirements
When do I need a student pilot certificate?
Before you can fly solo. You don't need a student pilot certificate to take flying lessons.
Am I eligible for a student pilot certificate?
You are eligible if:
You are at least 16 years old. If you plan to pilot a glider or balloon, you must be at least 14 years old.
You can read, speak, and understand English
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From the FAA:
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Student Pilot's Certificate Requirements
When do I need a student pilot certificate?
Before you can fly solo. You don't need a student pilot certificate to take flying lessons.
Am I eligible for a student pilot certificate?
You are eligible if:
You are at least 16 years old. If you plan to pilot a glider or balloon, you must be at least 14 years old.
You can read, speak, and understand English
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Fact of life, machines break down. There will always be a need for programmers and maintenance and trouble shooters to fix the issues an autonomous machine may run into. Then there is always the unknown and unpredictable things that will always happen. Things that an autonomous machine can't deal with. There will always be a need for someone to monitor these autonomous machines to make sure there working properly. Autonomous machines may have a place and a roll to play but they will never have the capability's most humans have. There basically relegated to simple mondaine task.
Canada's first self-driving shuttle using public roads coming to Candiac | CBC News - (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/autonomous-vehicles-shuttle-candiac-1.4780847)
Driverless buses will take passengers across Scottish bridge in new trial - (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/driverless-buses-take-passengers-across-13633637)
Driverless buses will take passengers across Scottish bridge in new trial - (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/driverless-buses-take-passengers-across-13633637)
However, when it's another machine or AI that diagnoses the problem and directs the maintenance the need for expensive skilled mainatenace workers isn't part of that equation.
There used to be an expert person who operated a machine.
Then there was a person who monitored the machine and an occassional expert who maintained the machine.
Next came the person who only responded to AI monitored machine calls for assistance.
Then there was a person who monitored the machine that responds to other machine calls for service.
I'm not sure if there' will be a person who responds to AI monitored machine calls by the machine that services other machines. Couldn't that machine also be serviced by AI calls to more machines?
If you watched Wall-E, you'd know we'll all be sent out on large spaceships while robots tend to our needs while we surf the intergalactic net and eat and drink in our flying chaises ..
Do you think we’ll all be fat and have short little feet too???[emoji1]
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