Weddings Venue asking for $200.00 deposit

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Now that my recollection is less fuzzy: looking at the agreement itself, it appears that its the same venue (Jefferson Street Mansion).

Our performing DJ had a great event there, and we were reviewed in the "A-List" (similar to Dave's "Baylist").

My feeling is to just pay the $$$, as they are not ripoff artists--- just a concerned venue that is trying to ensure only top notch DJs at the events taking place there.

I would never pay a bribe or extortion fees to play at a venue.

In this case, its perfectly justifiable for the Jefferson St. Mansion to do business in this manner. (those typos in their DJ agreement look suspciously similar to the one my DJ signed in October of 2006).

If this agreement were presented to me personally, I would not hesitate to sign it.

However, since DJ Alibaba (my sub) already went thru this procedure on my behalf--- DJ-MC Entertainment is already cleared at the J.S.M.
 
However, I will still argue that the venue has the right to refuse anyone entry for any reason they want; it is private property.
You could argue that but you would be wrong. This isn't a believe but a legal issue. If they are opening their place for public sales and rental then they do not have the right to refuse certain people. Now, for someone to fight that is another story. Let a venue turn away someone because they wish to have a gay wedding and see what happens.

Go to jail? Oh how you do like the dramatics. You've taken this issue far past the point of what's at hand. It's completely up to the client what happens after this issue is brought to light. They are the ones contracting the venue. Is every other outside vendor that enters the premises signing the same contract? Is every other vendor paying the same $200 deposit? Does it really matter? We can sit and discuss this all day. Opinions don't matter one bit. Running this past a good lawyer and gaining their advise is all one needs to clarify this situation. I'm sure a letter from one's attorney addressing the issue is something the venue would not want to deal with.

But, since this has never happened to me, nor would it ever this is merely just for discussion only and offers no real sound legal advise.

DJMC,
Since you know the venue then you have a better insight into what is going on. If this venue wishes only to have the better quality DJ's in their place then requiring proof of liability insurance would be a more professional requirment than a $200 deposit. One broken door is going to cost much more than that. But, it those who play wish to pay then that's up to them.
 
My feeling is to just pay the $$$, as they are not ripoff artists--- just a concerned venue that is trying to ensure only top notch DJs at the events taking place there.

Have you yelped this people, read one of the comments there, even top notch dj's could get side tracked by Photographer taking longer, Family members being delayed, so what if it happens? to me that is grounds to break their agreement. I'm not being hard headed, just the way the whole thing was presented to me was a kick in the nuts. I have done events for Villa Montalvo, Hayes Mansion, Ralston House, these are venues that are far more expensive and delicate when it comes to their policies and never had they asked me for a deposit.
 
Personally, I would call them and set up a meeting with their catering director or owner. Sit down and have them explain to me why they feel its necessary to have this "deposit". Then I would have them put it in writing and have them fax it to my attorney. I bet you that would make them reconsider their request for it. Most of the caterers in NJ just request a liability policy to use their facility. Thats nuts!!
 
Personally, I would call them and set up a meeting with their catering director or owner. Sit down and have them explain to me why they feel its necessary to have this "deposit". Then I would have them put it in writing and have them fax it to my attorney. I bet you that would make them reconsider their request for it. Most of the caterers in NJ just request a liability policy to use their facility. Thats nuts!!

I would too, but out of 3 messages I left they have yet to call me. They only aswer emails:sqfrown:
 
A couple of questions...

When did this venue start extorting this deposit from DJs? I see no effective date on what you posted. Was it before the customer signed their contract with the venue or after they signed?

Do any other vendors (photographers, caterers, cake providers, etc.) have similar agreements to work there or is only DJs that are singled out?
 
A couple of questions...

When did this venue start extorting this deposit from DJs? I see no effective date on what you posted. Was it before the customer signed their contract with the venue or after they signed?

Do any other vendors (photographers, caterers, cake providers, etc.) have similar agreements to work there or is only DJs that are singled out?

Not sure but according to the agreement says that Their Agreement needs to be signed at the moment the B&G signed the DJ they hire contract. Not sure about the other vendors, it's a good question.

The Bride said she was going to get clarifications on the whole situation, so I'm waiting for feedback from them.
 
Seems to me they are afraid of confrontation...or they are just morons...no offense..I would take those emails and forward them to your attorney and get feedback.
 
Ultimately it's you that will have to make the decision on what you're going to do.

Hope things work out for you.
 
Involving an attorney would cost more than the 200.00 deposit.:sqerr:
Maybe or maybe not but you should only have to do this once. If he intends on playing at the place in the future it would be a good idea to settle this now.
 
GoodKnightDJ, this is what the agreement says entirely, I have not changed, added or substracted any words from it:

DJ Agreement​

The purpose of this agreement is to ensure decorum and a smooth event, as well as the schedule that is worked out with the bridal couple is adhered to. Therfore, the DJ is required to sign the following agreement as well as provide "The Venue" with a $200.00 deposit. This deposit will be returned at the conclusion of the event provided the DJ follows the agreement:

  1. The DJ will arrive and be set up prior to guests arriving. This is generally 30 minutes prior to the ceremony.
  2. The DJ will dress in appropriate styles to a semi formal event, athletic wear is not acceptable
  3. The DJ will be fed after the guests have been served
  4. DJ is here to work, not as a guest, therefore there will be no comsumption of alcoholic beverages.
  5. DJ will with catering to announce dinner service by escorting each individual table of guests to the buffet table.
  6. The speaker will be set up under the marquee ad all wiring will be covered.
  7. When asked by a staff member to adjust the sound level the DJ will do so immidiately without argument.
  8. The Deposit will be secure by "The venue" at the time the DJ signs contract with the bride. It will be issued by the DJ, not by the bridal party.
  9. DJ will contact the bride or "The Venue" to secure the event schedule, prior to the event day.
  10. DJ will not bring a "friend" to the event, nor sit behind the podium.

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Now once again, how about if the schedule gets delayed for about 15 minutes, and the venue is hard headed and says well you just broke part of your agreement, or they don't like what I wear. As you said they have the last word, who says they won't keep the $200.00.

Obviously they had trouble in the past with other DJ's again this is where a liability insurance kicks in, and not only that the client failed to give me that information in the beginning.

So the venue is attempting to negotiate a separate contract. Though I agree with SOME OF the text as far as how things should go, if the venue wants a contract of their own, then the should have sat down to negotiate it at the same time as the B&G.

Sorry, your only contract is with the B&G, unless the VENUE wants to pay you something too...

This all should have been in the contract between the venue and the B&G, which the B&G should have then negotiated with you. Both the B&G and this very scuzzy venue are at fault. Since none of this was in the original contract with the B&G, the way you wish to handle it is entirely up to you. I wouldn't lay out a cent, unless, once again, the VENUE wishes to negotiate a PAID contract.

Your other option is as GroovieLou stated. The B&G can forward the deposit through you, to be returned after it's returned to you. If THEY don't agree, why should you?
 
Grab a beer, it's a long one. :)

I dunno, folks. Maybe it's just me. :dontknow:

This has nothing to do with your GL policy. The GL policy tells the house management that, if you let a cabinet or amp rack slip off the cart and it busts a hole in the wall... or something you loaded in damages the wood floor, the house has recourse to have the damage repaired.

My friends, this is about professional business practices on the part of the DJ company. I think most of us here would have no problem with that.

Everyone seems to be concentrated on the deposit fee. Here's the way I interpret the deposit: It's done to ensure that you are what you claim to be. If you (or someone you send to do the show) is a slob with an attitude, you're out the $200.00. If you're a pro and conduct yourself in a professional manner you should have nothing to worry about. You'll get your dough back and will be on the preferred vendor roster.

Most of the house requirements are pretty much what experienced wedding DJs do anyway. I'd take exception to hand-holding guests to the chow line but that could be cleared up in negotiation. The agreement nixes "friends". It says nothing about assistants, MCs nor road help. I'm gonna agree with Tom ~ my back needs to rest on occasion. That's why we carry a bar-height director's chair. I can sit in it and still be at eye level. This too could be cleared up in negotiation. So can speaker system placement.

Otherwise, there's nothing in that agreement that an experienced wedding DJ can't work with. These are things Shirl and I deal with all the time. It's a demanding policy, true but not unreasonably so.

I'll share an example: Ed used to work regularly with an upscale venue that required vendors to load in and out in a full tux. They had to use the service entrance that went through the kitchen. Ed kept two tuxes ~ one for loading and another that he wore during the performance. Now that's a strict requirement and it applied to all vendors. If you weren't in a full tux, you were not allowed to load in, no matter who you were. That was the house policy, like it or lump it.

Ed didn't blacklist the venue. That would have been fiscal suicide. You make the big bucks (and the big bucks referrals) in those upscale houses. Ed did what he had to do to fulfill his contractual obligations to his clientele.

Last time I checked, that's what we do in this biz. And you guys have a problem with this?:wtf:

Shirl and I have worked some upscale houses. They'll explain their policies ~ all you have to do is ask. When they say they don't want it too loud, we don't play it too loud. When they give you an hour to get loaded out, we're out within the hour. When you're working a hotel ballroom, you don't rattle the walls at 10:00 PM for obvious reasons. Guests are trying to get some sleep.

Tom is correct. When working in a venue, one is on their turf and subject to their policies. It's their field and we play by their rules as we understand them. The B&G or whomever rents the house is made aware of these policies. It's always in the service agreement.

Like it or not, that makes the B&G directly responsible for the DJ's behavior (or lack thereof) because the B&G brought the DJ company into the house. In this scenario, the house management is attempting to eliminate the pass-the-buck routine and ensure to their satisfaction that only professional DJs will be working there.

That's my take on it anyhow. GL policies, referrals and what you think you are don't matter in this scenario. The house management is telling you to put your money where your mouth is. If you can't act like you have some semblence of sense and decorum and can't follow directions, don't bother. The house management doesn't want you in there, period.

Maybe it's me... maybe I'm going crazy but that's my idea of a preferred venue. The house management filters out the bottom-dwellers and punks by sticking it to 'em in the purse. That suits me fine. Wolfie don't have a problem with that, folks. We can walk the walk. This venue isn't asking for anything we don't do anyhow. If we gotta lay two Franklins on the table to prove it to 'em, so be it.

That's a sure bet. If every rental house in the state would adopt a policy like this one, the stooge DJs would disappear, the bar would rise and we'd be booked every weekend. :)

From reviewing the terms in this agreement, I too get the impression that the house management has seen their share of slob DJs. Unfortunately, there are a lot of stooges out there with sloppy setups and Napoleon complexes who'll BS their way to booking a wedding when they have no clue. All they see is the green. The venue in question is trying to keep that kinda stuff out.

And I can't blame 'em, really. Sloppy DJs piss me off. If you're booked to DJ a wedding, you don't dress like you're going fishing and you don't sit on your brains behind a table all night. You don't stuff the mic in your trousers pocket and rush to the chow line like a starving dog. You don't hang at the bar and down beer and drinks like you're at a frat party. To quote the agreement, you don't act like an invited guest. :mad:
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For Sir DJ: Whether you fork over the dough and agree to the house terms is up to you. That's a business decision and I can't make it for you. I'm just sayin' I'd have no issues with it if the house management explained the "what ifs" to my satisfaction. If that involves asking those questions at the time of contract signing, ask. You won't know until you ask. If your concerns are not addressed to your satisfaction or negotiation fails, don't sign and don't pay. No one's gonna think less of you because of it. :)

Thoughts?
 
Fred I do agree with your thoughts however my only real issue is that I signed a contract with the Bride and Groom without this being presented. Its not in the contraxt I dont have to abide or my contract is void. Accomodating the venue is quite alright however they didnt follow prpoer procedure with their contracted Bride and groom having not presented this in the initial phase to me shows underhanded methods and I dont play games as you know. Inform me up front I'm cool. Push the ticket later I am ready to administer an ass bite.Flexibility id gained up front.
 
Fred,

While I agree with you that this is how a Pro Wedding DJ should act, I too have a problem with the way this venue is going about this and the $200 fee.

1. The DJ in this situation would have had to be at the meeting between the venue manager and the B&G, before anything was signed by any party.

2. There is not enough clarification in "what they are calling an agreement" as to what will be considered a violation. There is nothing in what they sent Sirdj to indicate at what level would constitute a violation of their "agreement". The way it is worded if they didn't like my pink flamingo tuxedo I would be in violation. Like Tom if my leg gave out during the performance of the show and I had to sit down I would be in violation. If During the show before the Guest ate and I reached into my bag and took out a piece of Wheat bread to eat because my sugar was getting low, I could be in violation. If my sugar got low during the performance and i staggered a little they could assume that I had been drinking, would they take my word for it or take my $200 deposit? Want to bet which one would happen?

3. By having the DJ sign a contract with the venue after the fact (after already signing a contract with the clients) amounts to a form of extortion.

4. The client would be paying the $200 for me anyway as my contract also states that all venue and or performance fees will be paid by the client.

5. The manager's son is a DJ (and is the perfered DJ for this venue) I would be willing to bet they would look for the slightest thing they could call a violation so that the $200 could line the pocket of the manager and son.

6. The biggest red flag for me is the fact that they don't return phone calls about the subject!
 
I agree with Thunder on several points, but these two bother me the most.

1) Technically, the "agreement" has already been broken...

"The Deposit will be secure by "The venue" at the time the DJ signs contract with the bride. It will be issued by the DJ, not by the bridal party."

This has not taken place. So, if you issue the $200 now, they could keep it... LEGALLY The ball is entirely in their court!

2) The "agreement" is vague and completely subjective. They have placed themselves in a position to fully control the DJ holding money as a ransom. At this point you are working for the venue, not your client. I prefer to focus on my client.

I understand where Fred is coming from, and how I wish every DJ was completely professional, however I do not agree that its the venues responsibility to make this happen.

Once again, I would tell the client contractually she is responsible for all fees associated with the venue. However, in the interest of making the client happy, I would happily take a $200 refundable "tip". (call it what you like)

G-Lou
 
I'm all for discussing house rules and playing by them as best as I can without disappointing my clients. However, this so-called agreement is highly subjective to the opinion of the venue's staff and could cause a DJ to have to pick sides between the B&G and the venue's staff.

The $200 is a concern of mine because I don't like to waste money. $200 is a whole chunk of brand new music to me. It's a deposit for a bridal show. It's a new DJ outfit (speaking of which...I don't wear tuxes).

I'm sure that if a DJ doesn't want to be jerked around by this so-called agreement that the venue owner's :tool: of a son would be more than happy to add on another gig. In fact, I'm sure that's how he's getting his start.

As for me, I would consider writing off the $200 as an expense and black-list the venue after the reception. Sometimes, brides don't know what they're getting into before it's too late, so I wouldn't want to take it out on them...then again, it depends upon the situation.
 
Put it on Visa. That is a good way to dispute if anything WAS charged.
Also, by complying for whatever reason they have, this gives you a bit of stature with the venue. they are weeding out the fly by nights and non professionals too! (kinda the same stuff that gets talked to death about here on the boards)
As long as the VENUE is not a mom / pop or converted house thing. If it is reputable and even corporate, should be a good foot in the door there too.
However, how many times have we been in good with the venue captain/manager just to have someone else in their position next season? We start all over again.
 
Ok...one issue not being looked at iis how one-sided this contract is. I believe it would be laughed at and thrown out of court. This contract has NOT been negotiated in advance.

My advice - emergency meeting with your current client and tell them you will not pay this, nor sign the venue's contract. You have a contract with the B&G, NOT the venue.

Signing this sets you up for many problems down the road.

Coincidentally, there is a wedding planning company that has managed to get exclusive contracts with two higher end places so that only their Djs, photogs, etc get to work there. If the B&G choose someone else, they have to pay an additional $250 fee PER VENDOR.

These are dangerous precedents being set that need to be crushed as soon as possible.