10 inch tops VS. 12 inch Tops
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Actually, IMO, a 40-60 deg vertical and 90 horizontal dispersion pattern works out to be a very good compromise.
You go wider or more vertical and you have issues managing reflective waves in smaller rooms .. besides, you get something that sounds like a Bose 802 and you wouldn't want that
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You go wider or more vertical and you have issues managing reflective waves in smaller rooms .. besides, you get something that sounds like a Bose 802 and you wouldn't want that
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Wouldn't their be a limit to the size of audience 2 10" tops can handle? The least I would roll with would be 12" tops. Showing up to a gig with 2 10"s is like djing with 2 monitors and a sub. My monitors are 12 and mains are 15's. I guess it depends on the type of music and event taking place.
Not really .. once you cut off the bottom end at 100-120Hz, there is very little difference between most 12s and 10s .. especially since most have the same HF horns and same amp module .. but only with a sub or two .. without a sub, then 12 should be the smallest (except for very small events).
Another benefit of many 10s, is they are better reproducers of the mid-range .. smaller cones tend to suffer less surface distortion as well as handle transients better than 12s.
Agree with Steve, too.
In considering new powered tops,
I was torn between the 10's that go with the EV ZXA1-Sub..
and the 12's which could stand on their own for small gigs.
I don't think you'd lose THAT much visibility with the 12" cabinet over the 10"...
but not a big deal if you are keeping your 15's for those "no sub" gigs.
One of my best sounding systems (passive) is a pair of EV-ZX1 8" tops, with a pair of EV-TX 18" subs. Have played them in medium rooms with crowds around 300 people and had tremendous volume. The ZX1 passive top is a monster for its small size and gets clearer the more you crank it. Horns and vocals are awesome.
My current favorite listening tops are ETX10Ps with a single or pair of ETX15SP subs, they sound noticeably smoother than my ETX12P tops.
My current favorite listening tops are ETX10Ps with a single or pair of ETX15SP subs, they sound noticeably smoother than my ETX12P tops.
I have no use for 8" or 10" speakers unless they are a pair in a single cabinet used for Midrange only.
I have never heard an 8" or 10" that I have liked. They all sound tinny to me like wind blowing through foil paper. If I had to use them at all, it will have to be in a home with subs.
The natural tone of Live Sound PA is what I prefer and I have never heard an 8" or 10" sound like full bodied natural. A cymbal should sound like a cymbal and a Guitar like a guitar. I am certainly not a fan of the DJ sounding speakers.
I have never heard an 8" or 10" that I have liked. They all sound tinny to me like wind blowing through foil paper. If I had to use them at all, it will have to be in a home with subs.
The natural tone of Live Sound PA is what I prefer and I have never heard an 8" or 10" sound like full bodied natural. A cymbal should sound like a cymbal and a Guitar like a guitar. I am certainly not a fan of the DJ sounding speakers.
There is no "natural tone of a Live Sound PA" as a Live Sound Rig takes many shapes and sizes .. most modern ones using 8"-12" drivers as mid/mid-bass (see just about every Line array out there) and compression drivers for HF. Most of a Cymbal's frequency response is above a mid-range driver anyway and would be handled by a HF unit, as the harmonics go well above the 20K limit of our hearing .. only the fundamental tones would be under the 2-3KHz range that a 8"-12" driver would handle.
By the same reasoning, (8) 5.25" paper cone drivers couldn't sound natural as they couldn't replicate the types of drivers used by a guitar either.
I'm probably going to pull the trigger tomorrow on a pair of JBL PRX710s. Just got a price from my Guitar Center rep. of $580/each. I've been looking at ATA flight cases but the only thing I've seen is a tall (and probably heavy) lid that slides down over the speakers. May have to build a rolling box with a flip lid. This will put me at 2 rolling containers to get the system in the door and just a couple of boxes for cables, mixer, projector that will require a hand truck.
Rick I have an ATA case for my tops and a large one for lighting cables and other accessories, my subs are on wheels from the factory, 4 trips and I am in the buliding
Tell me about it. My GC guy sells so much volume that they pretty much let him do what he wants.
Is yours a tall lid that fits over the tops? It doesn't make sense to me why they'd build it that way. Guitar amps, yes, I can see it as they're heavy. But these tops are 32 lbs.
Let me know how they work out .. after I get and break in the RCF EVOX set, I may rework the other system.
Mine has the short base and the removable top is tall, I put two handles towards the top on the side in order to make it easier to remove.
Its not bad, unless you're old and weak. I am old but not weak, If you get a big ATA for your other gear get one that is the right height to use as a table, I've used mine dozens of times that way.
or I wish I had seen this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATA-Case-fo...-Road-Case-New-Flight-Hard-Case-/151370304809
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATA-Case-fo...-Road-Case-New-Flight-Hard-Case-/151370304809