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WMA = Windows Media? I have many of them on my computer, and they play just fine and can be burned easily. I don't know what DRM is... can you explain? Thanks!

Are the songs current?
 
mysoulishome said:
http://www.7digital.com/

Pros - Tracks available in higher bit rate (224 or something)
Accepts credit cards, paypal, lots of payment methods
LEGAL

Cons - Download is WMA so you have to burn to CD to remove DRM
Have to pay in british pounds
More expensive than iTunes and others
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This sounds like a british site. It may be legal there, not here....Legal for commercial use?
 
WMA files are windows media player files. When you play them, the media player connects to the internet to make sure you have the license to play it. Pretty much the same as files purchased from iTunes, just different format.

You probably could leave it in the wma format and use it in Serato or whatever software you use, but I prefer to burn them and convert them to non-DRM mp3. Just in case.
 
When you throw the term "legal" into the discussion, the answer would be none, because for commercial use (ie, making money off the tracks you purchase), you have to do it through a music house, period.

There is no gray area in that. It has been covered over and over again.

If, however, you mean legal in the since of pay per download, then Itunes, Wal-Mart, Napster (the new one) and Sony's Connect service all are very well done sites.
 
patrickrlewis said:
When you throw the term "legal" into the discussion, the answer would be none, because for commercial use (ie, making money off the tracks you purchase), you have to do it through a music house, period.

There is no gray area in that. It has been covered over and over again.

If, however, you mean legal in the since of pay per download, then Itunes, Wal-Mart, Napster (the new one) and Sony's Connect service all are very well done sites.
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covered by who?
by dj's maybe...
but i've not heard it covered by the record industry. Has anyone ever seen anything by any agency with authority saying that it's illegal for dj's to play music they've purchased? or that dj's are only allowed to purchase music from record pools? If they felt this way, it would be very easy for them to say it.

promo only had a recent article that said because some dj's were selling their copies after burning them and that the record companies said if it is not controlled, they would stop the record pools and make us buy the same retail stuff as everyone else......why would they consider doing that if it was illegal for us to play purchased music to begin with?
If a song doesn't make it on a record pool, that means the record companies don't want any dj's playing that song?

I believe "not for commercial use" means that purchasing the product does not release anyone from paying ascap or bmi fees when needed. It also does not give someone the right to use it in a film or commercial.

If I work at a bar, ascap collects fees from the bar because we are playing music in a public place(commercial use).

I do NOT believe i've broken any laws by purchasing retail music. I do believe that the record industry should have and would have notified me somehow someway during the last 20 years that the tens of thousands of dollars i've been investing in their products were not allowed to be used in the way i've been using them.
 
I do NOT believe i've broken any laws by purchasing retail music. I do believe that the record industry should have and would have notified me somehow someway during the last 20 years that the tens of thousands of dollars i've been investing in their products were not allowed to be used in the way i've been using them.
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Let me play Devil's Advocate Scott (if I may -- I know it's hard to believe :) )


If you robbed my house, while I was on vacation in Kentucky, would I know YOU robbed me?

Would I have your phone number or address?

Seems a touch of a stretch, that I would be able to find out who robbed me, track them down, and send a letter saying "Could y'all send me back my software please?". Feel free to substitute music for software.


There is no gray area here. We just pretend there is one.


If ya want to defend something, please, please, do it with something that's defendable :sqwink: :sqbiggrin:
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Let me play Devil's Advocate Scott (if I may -- I know it's hard to believe :) )


If you robbed my house, while I was on vacation in Kentucky, would I know YOU robbed me?

Would I have your phone number or address?

Seems a touch of a stretch, that I would be able to find out who robbed me, track them down, and send a letter saying "Could y'all send me back my software please?". Feel free to substitute music for software.


There is no gray area here. We just pretend there is one.


If ya want to defend something, please, please, do it with something that's defendable :sqwink: :sqbiggrin:
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rick,
if that robber was a member of an association of robbers.....like i am in some associations for djing...you could send a letter notifiing the association that you've been robbed and that the police have been notified.....
i buy music from a record pool....i advertise as a dj company....i belong to dj associations....i get dj magazines.....and not once has the record industry ever said that playing retail bought music was illegal for dj's.
 
Scott Hanna said:
.....and not once has the record industry ever said that playing retail bought music was illegal for dj's.
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Sure they have Scott.
Read the fine print on just about every CD you have ever purchased retail.

"Warning: All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance, transmitting, and/or broadcasting is prohibited and a violation of applicable laws."
 
Scott,

In any major release, there is a disclaimer in the liner notes that says something to the effect (don't have the exact wording) that the material purchased will not be used for commercial purpose. From my understanding, commercial purposes would be anything you make money off of.

You are correct that no agency (re: RIAA) has ever come out and made this announcement, but it is in the fine print of every CD you purchase retail wise.
 
This is what cracks me up when I hear the Adja (one exec in particular) ranting about how file sharers and downloaders are thieves and criminals.....then acknowledges that for all intents and purposes we are all acting illegally...but that's Ok because the industry hasn't done anything that allows us to do our job legally, so operating illegally is OK, you're not a crook, but download one file., you are scum of the earth.

You can't be half-pregnant.........

Personally I'm ambivalent on the matter.....could care less....Frankly., it's a control thing. If the industry had their way, cd's would still be 30 bucks a pop....

Really we just need to "shut up" and do our thing. Mark my words, knockin on the RIAA's and asking them for favours is only gonna hurt us....

I paid for my music, I'm gonna use it as I see fit.
 
Steve,

What I was saying was not meant to be an attack on anyone (lord knows I have admitted enough times in hear I have obtain music through less than legal means).

I was just simply pointing out that, technically, by the letter of the law, there is no such thing as "legal" download (which is the topic of this thread).
 
Bill Hollick said:
Sure they have Scott.
Read the fine print on just about every CD you have ever purchased retail.

"Warning: All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance, transmitting, and/or broadcasting is prohibited and a violation of applicable laws."
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Exactly....it does not say a public performance is a violation of applicable laws, it say an UNAUTHORIZED public performance is a violation.

Instead of fielding millions of requests to play music at a public performance, they've put a system in place:


....Unauthorized public performance would be a performance that's not paying applicable fees such as ascap and bmi. buying a cd and putting it in a juke box and charging people to play the song WITHOUT paying bmi would be an unauthorized public performance. A Venue owner that doesn't pay ascap and has a dj playing music would be an unauthorized public performance. Just as unauthorized broadcasting would be playing music on the radio or online and not paying the proper fees.

The recording industry and it's agents routinely send cease and desist letters when they find people or groups using their products inappropriately, yet to my knowledge they've never sent such a letter to a DJ or a DJ company telling them to stop playing legally bought media at shows. That is why i believe the above information to be correct.


Again, this is only my opinion and is not intended to be legal advice to anyone
 
So if someone is completely CD based and runs into an issue with the RIAA, it's pretty easy to show them all your cds (*not* going to get into whether cds are legal or not) and prove that you bought them.

If you were to [get audited???] and had downloaded music (again not getting into legality of it) how are you all keeping track of what came from where? Some might be from itunes, some walmart, amazon, etc -- it seems like it would be such a pain to keep everything straight. ...or is that unnecessary?
 
thatmusicguy said:
This is what cracks me up when I hear the Adja (one exec in particular) ranting about how file sharers and downloaders are thieves and criminals.....then acknowledges that for all intents and purposes we are all acting illegally...but that's Ok because the industry hasn't done anything that allows us to do our job legally, so operating illegally is OK, you're not a crook, but download one file., you are scum of the earth.
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Gee, and wasn't that guy hawking Burnhouse too? Talk about downloads; he downloaded a whole bunch of horse hockey on us.

Anyway, back to Larry's question.

If I need to download something it is WalMart. To be on the safe side I burn it to CD and re-rip.
 
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