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Scott Hanna said:
Systematic arrogance is thinking you can tell someone's skills by their choice of software. Truly an amazing feat.
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Not by your software choice... rather by your description of how you use it and what is or is not important in a DJ software.

I'll bet dollar to donuts that even your dog doesn't like you:)
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It's your credibility and breadth of experience on this issue I find lacking... I don't require your admiration.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Take my cheap Rogue acoustic guitar, and put it in the hands of say me (who can play halfway decent) -- then hand it to Eddie Van Halen or Jimmy Page. There's gonna be a world of difference, because they've taken much more time, and used much more effort than I have, to learn to use said tool. Same guitar, but it will sound completely different in either of their hands, then it will in mine.

The same will apply to any tool, including software. If you need a sync button for example, then you probably have no clue how to mix...
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Bad analogy, because anything that your guitar is not physically capable of handling will be lost no matter who is playing it. Likewise, using a belt drive instead of a direct drive turntable, or the wrong stylus, means you give up a certain level of functionality - no matter who the DJ is. The same holds true for software - you can't perform certain ways if the tools you want aren't there.

Such is the case with Ots. But, the kicker is not that the stuff is missing or years behind the state of the art - it's that it was sold with a promise to keep it state of the art through certain upgrades that they have failed to produce. And now they are trying to pull the same sh__ all over again.

This is a place for DJs to learn, no? - So learn from the past.
 
You've been whining about ots for years which can make someone assume you haven't used it very much in recent years, but you come here like you are the expert on it.

In fact, reading any of your posts, you seem to believe you are the expert on everything

Everything is absolute to you. Maybe someday you'll wake up and realize that you don't in fact, know everything

Will be a rude awakening
 
Proformance said:
Bad analogy, because anything that your guitar is not physically capable of handling will be lost no matter who is playing it. Likewise, using a belt drive instead of a direct drive turntable, or the wrong stylus, means you give up a certain level of functionality - no matter who the DJ is. The same holds true for software - you can't perform certain ways if the tools you want aren't there.
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I think it's a good analogy. I think you just don't know how to use OTS that well... If you would put as much effort into learning it, as you do b-i-t-c-h ing about it, you might learn how to work the current version to your satisfaction... ;)
 
steve149 said:
Bob, If Ots never had the level of capabilities you needed, why did you buy it in the first place?
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Steve, keep in mind the extreme timeline. Ots is nearly 10 years behind on what it claimed it would deliver by now. Many features previously unavailable in any software have since become commonplace while Ots continues to drag it's feet and not deliver. The program simply hasn't improved enough to be taken seriously any more.

The purpose of this thread is simply to warn other DJs who do not know the Ots history to stay clear of what previous Ots buyers know to be another empty promise. You buy into the notion of a product that will evolve only to find that it remains stagnant year after year. (bait and switch)

It should be obvious by their inability to disclose any meanigful value that they are without such value:

1. They have not described a single feature or improvement they are working on
2. The have identified no benefit or improvement
2. They have committed to no actual release date.
3. They have stated clearly that they may in fact postpone release indefinitely

They can't desciribe the product, have no availability date, acknowledge that it might never be available... and yet you still think giving Ots money is a good idea? :) At the very least, is this a good way to advertise something? If it had value wouldn't you want to demonstrate that value to potential buyers?

Reminds me of land in Florida.. I have no pictures, and there's no street address as yet, though I promise you it's a great location!
 
Proformance said:
Steve, keep in mind the extreme timeline. Ots is nearly 10 years behind on what it claimed it would deliver by now. Many features previously unavailable in any software have since become commonplace while Ots continues to drag it's feet and not deliver. The program simply hasn't improved enough to be taken seriously any more.

The purpose of this thread is simply to warn other DJs who do not know the Ots history to stay clear of what previous Ots buyers know to be another empty promise. You buy into the notion of a product that will evolve only to find that it remains stagnant year after year. (bait and switch)

It should be obvious by their inability to disclose any meanigful value that they are without such value:

1. They have not described a single feature or improvement they are working on
2. The have identified no benefit or improvement
2. They have committed to no actual release date.
3. They have stated clearly that they may in fact postpone release indefinitely

They can't desciribe the product, have no availability date, acknowledge that it might never be available... and yet you still think giving Ots money is a good idea? :) At the very least, is this a good way to advertise something? If it had value wouldn't you want to demonstrate that value to potential buyers?

Reminds me of land in Florida.. I have no pictures, and there's no street address as yet, though I promise you it's a great location!
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I don't disagree with the above, just still wondering why you went with it in the first place if it never met your mixing needs? Seems one would have switched to Serato, VDJ, Traktor, PCDJ or RockIt years ago to get contemporary functionality.
 
Scott Hanna said:
You've been whining about ots for years which can make someone assume you haven't used it very much in recent years, but you come here like you are the expert on it.

In fact, reading any of your posts, you seem to believe you are the expert on everything

Everything is absolute to you. Maybe someday you'll wake up and realize that you don't in fact, know everything

Will be a rude awakening
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LOL. What a freakin' baby! :) I owe you nothing with regard to your "sensitivity." Poor Scott, someone might think they're more experienced than he! Good grief.

Where "everything" in these posts pertains to DJs and special events - Yes, I'll admit to being an expert on most of it. I'm highly experienced and pretty damn knowledgeable. I make no apologies for that.

It's been my full time profession for almost 30 years. Can you say the same? Where will you be on Monday while I'm doing a corporate gig? What about your mixing.... I noticed you skipped right over the opportunity to correct me an tell us what controller you prefer, or what features in Ots let you be the most creative; what kind of video you are doing etc. How do you like Serato, VDJ, Tractor, or Abelton? and in what situations do you prefer to use those versus OtsAV? I imagine a busy DJ/consultant like yourself is familiar with all the major software and interfaces, right? Stop me if it starts to hurt... :)
 
steve149 said:
I don't disagree with the above, just still wondering why you went with it in the first place if it never met your mixing needs? Seems one would have switched to Serato, VDJ, Traktor, PCDJ or RockIt years ago to get contemporary functionality.
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You're talking about a time when the CD was still the predominant medium at critical events, still the best medium for mixing, and the leading software in use at the time was a frequently crashing and problem ridden PCDJ with nothing that performed a whole hell of a lot better. DJPower for example, was too proprietary and hardware centric.

It wasn't because they were a ready mix solution that I bought into Ots - it was because they promoted themselves as the program that would and could be. They lied.

There were at that time a few things they did better than others.. so their promises were believable. That is not true now. I don't think purchasing into this product even at 90% off would be a good idea for a digital DJ. You are essentially buying a vehicle that will likely remain parked for another decade.

Just sayin' ... there may be no "loop" in the software - but, there certainly appears to be one in the ethics of their business practice.
 
Steve LeBlanc said:
I don't understand why you are wasting all of your time on this crusade. You've obviously moved on to a different solution...what your goal?
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I'm saving someone else some time by sharing my experience and opinions of this product online to whom ever might want to read them before making a purchase. I wouldn't buy into this offer even at 95% off. Perhaps they will release a magnificent upgrade - who knows - but, my opinions are based on prior experience not wishful thinking.

If you've got all positive to things to say about Ots than go ahead.. Refute or challenge what I've said and let people shake out of the debate whatever information seems most relevant to their needs. If you were researching a product would you want people with complaints to keep them quiet and out of your reach?
 
No - you've complained already......at this point in time it's b!tching and whining to the point where you're arguing with those who use the product regularly and like it....Do you even use this product any more? You claim to be a smart and knowledgeable guy. How much has all this b!tching cost you in time that could have been devoted to other more productive things....

Who made you guardian of all those poor, naive unsuspecting fool dj's who might consider this product? You made your views known....just move on!

and for the record; I've never bought or used OTS.....Honestly, I wouldn't pay any attention to your "review" as frankly, it comes across having absolutely no credibility; given the ongoing rant, upon rant
 
Proformance said:
It's been my full time profession for almost 30 years. Can you say the same? Where will you be on Monday while I'm doing a corporate gig? What about your mixing.... I noticed you skipped right over the opportunity to correct me an tell us what controller you prefer, or what features in Ots let you be the most creative; what kind of video you are doing etc. How do you like Serato, VDJ, Tractor, or Abelton? and in what situations do you prefer to use those versus OtsAV? I imagine a busy DJ/consultant like yourself is familiar with all the major software and interfaces, right? Stop me if it starts to hurt... :)
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Unlike you, I don't claim to be an expert on everything. I don't care how many corporate gigs you have on Monday, it still doesn't change the fact that you have many of your facts wrong about the software, yet you can't admit that there is something you possible don't know.

I've also never said OTS is the answer for everyone. Simply pointing out flaws in your silly feud with OTS.

I have a copy of VDJ, but I've found OTs to be better...for ME. I've stated before that I certainly know OTS better because I've used it more often. I don't claim to an expert on VDJ. I don't go bashing things I know little about. But when I see someone stating facts that are not true, I'll bring it up
 
Proformance said:
Scott Hanna said: ?
Systematic arrogance is thinking you can tell someone's skills by their choice of software. Truly an amazing feat.​
Not by your software choice... rather by your description of how you use it and what is or is not important in a DJ software.

I'll bet dollar to donuts that even your dog doesn't like you:)​
It's your credibility and breadth of experience on this issue I find lacking... I don't require your admiration.​
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So, since you claim to know, exactly what is my experience on this issue, Mr. Know-it-all?

I've realized trying to explain something to you is like talking to a wall. You don't listen but spend your time coming up with a response that feeds your agenda. I try to keep my responses simple to you. You get lost after a few sentences.

It's not my fault you don't know how to mix with OTS.
 
Proformance said:
The purpose of this thread is simply to warn other DJs who do not know the Ots history to stay clear of what previous Ots buyers know to be another empty promise. You buy into the notion of a product that will evolve only to find that it remains stagnant year after year. (bait and switch)

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Anybody with half a brain that reads this thread will realize you have an agenda and are not looking at this situation rationally, without bias, and with well thought out arguments.
 
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